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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

There is a local meet in Dallas on June 9th, and I won't be buying anything until June 14th. I will hopefully  be able to go to it. Just finding out opinions beforehand. I don't know if they'll have any of these at the meet, though.

The lower mids are louder then on my 280s, but the upper mids aren't. I don't think I'll have any problems, though...

 

Even if I don't go to the meet, I can try out the HD 600s whenever I want. There's a place to try out sennheiser and grados headphones right down the road from my university.

 

Well I'll be there with my own HD600. You're welcome to use it!

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Well I'll be there with my own HD600. You're welcome to use it!


Oh, thank you! Don't know yet if I'm 100% sure I can go, though.

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LACKS DETAIL: The DT 880 has extra sparkle in the treble which brings out much of the upper harmonics. I appreciate this. However, when compared against other headphones which offer a superior transient response and quicker decay, it becomes apparent that even the extra treble sparkle does not compensate for the slight lack of detail.

I'm reading through the Battle of the Flagships thread (again) and I noticed this now that I'm actually wanting these. Can anyone else confirm this? Detail is my favorite part about headphones...


Edited by daleb - 5/22/13 at 7:36pm
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What headphones is he comparing them to when he says they lack detail?

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He doesn't really point it out. I don't think he is taking price into account, because he doesn't ever list detail as a strength until the HD800s, from a price perspective, from what I can see.

Edit: But this is one of the few cans he says lack of detail is an issue. Its not pointed out at all for other headphones...

 

Edit2: I found one pair of headphones with detailed as a strength under $1000, the KAM: HP1s. All the IEMs are listed as detailed.

Many other headphones under $500 have detailed as "on the fence", meaning they should be more detailed then the DT880s... I wonder how he categorizes detail...


Edited by daleb - 5/22/13 at 7:44pm
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You know daleb you can get the HD600's at razordog audio for $299 with the razordog100 code. It says the HD6xx's don't qualify but it works in the checkout and people have got the deal in the past.

I also need a pair of HD600's but a tube amp is going to be acquired first. biggrin.gif
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You know daleb you can get the HD600's at razordog audio for $299 with the razordog100 code. It says the HD6xx's don't qualify but it works in the checkout and people have got the deal in the past.

I also need a pair of HD600's but a tube amp is going to be acquired first. biggrin.gif

 

$299 is slightly out of my price range. I'm going for the 250 ohm Pros, so I'm saving money there. I still have a few reservations for the 600s, too (I love treble), and I don't believe I have a strong enough amp for them, either. I think they will make a great compliment for the DT880s further down the line, and then the Q701s will be a whole 'nother take on the ordeal with its soundstage.

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I'm reading through the Battle of the Flagships thread (again) and I noticed this now that I'm actually wanting these. Can anyone else confirm this? Detail is my favorite part about headphones...

 

They don't lack detail to my ears, and I've heard just about all the competition. On the contrary, they clarify things that seemed just a blur with other phones.

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Sa5000, he400 and he500 are 3 other headphones under 1000 he lists as detail being a strength. He400 the only one under 500.


Also, the dt880 has one of the cleanest and fastest decaying waterfall plots. Doubtful that it lacks a good amount of resolving power.
Edited by TMRaven - 5/22/13 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

They don't lack detail to my ears, and I've heard just about all the competition. On the contrary, they clarify things that seemed just a blur with other phones.


Thank you for the insight. That is exactly what I want with my headphones.

 

 

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Sa5000, he400 and he500 are 3 other headphones under 1000 he lists as detail being a strength. He400 the only one under 500.

Also, the dt880 has one of the cleanest and fastest decaying waterfall plots. Doubtful that it lacks a good amount of resolving power.

Hmm... I somehow didn't notice the HE400s or 500s having them. I thought the Sa500s were way above $1000, like the Qualias. Oh well, still (supposedly) sound bad.

 

Really? I'm going to go look for those plots.

*searches*

What the heck, these things decay insanely fast! How do they do that?! Isn't that faster then the HD 800s?

Edit:They're almost the exact same, but the HD800s actually have resonance frequencies.

Wait, then how could someone see these as undetailed? He specifically complained about the decay, too...


Edited by daleb - 5/22/13 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

 

$299 is slightly out of my price range. I'm going for the 250 ohm Pros, so I'm saving money there. I still have a few reservations for the 600s, too (I love treble), and I don't believe I have a strong enough amp for them, either. I think they will make a great compliment for the DT880s further down the line, and then the Q701s will be a whole 'nother take on the ordeal with its soundstage.

 

The 250ohm version will be so close to the 600 that you probably would never hear the difference, unless you have one of those uber rare golden ears you hear about (no pun intended). And yes, the 600 ohm version is tough to drive fully. My Auditor puts out gobs of voltage which high impedance cans love, and even with my source having a decent enough 4.1 voltage output through XLR I still had to crank the Auditor to almost full volume sometimes, usually around 2 or 3 oclock. In contrast my 650s were extremely loud at 12 - 1 oclock, usually 12 was fine. Now the Auditor commanded the drivers really well and I probably got everything the 880s had to offer, but they are hard to drive no doubt. As for the treble, there is plenty of treble with the 600ohm version, it is just reputed to be smoother and more under control, not less treble in the sense that you could notice the difference. There is a big difference between what a machine can measure and output to a graph and what the brain can perceive and process anyway, so even assuming that our ears can retrieve all of that information and send it to the brain to be processed, that doesn't mean the brain can and will attend to it. There are thresholds for "meaningful" perception that while even if the brain can detect them, they might be ignored as irrelevant information anyway. All of this is just to say those graphs mean something for sure, but they certainly are not a lock on what matters in sound reproduction as far as raw perception goes anyway.


Edited by Sonic Defender - 5/22/13 at 8:38pm
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Thanks, but when I said 600s, I was actually referring to the HD600s, not the DT880/600s. Probably should have been specific about that. I was mainly referring to getting the entire Mid-fi Trio throughout my life. I don't really care for hi-fi because diminishing returns blah blah blah. Though, if I did, and if I have the money, I'd get the HD 800s. Not for listening purposes, but for mixing and monitoring. Those things would be so useful.

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What is a good dac+amp to use with the 250 ohm version? Laptop is my source and my budget would be 100-200 usd. I have been looking at Yulong U100 and Maverick D1 but i am not sure if they would pair well with these cans.


Edited by BbOO - 5/23/13 at 2:10am
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Edit2:They named a pair of headphones after Tesla? That's it, for purely nerdy reasons, I am a Beyerdynamic fan over everything else.
LOL I wholeheartedly agree. Other manufacturers use rap and soul musicians which is quite lame.
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post


Thank you for the insight. That is exactly what I want with my headphones.


Hmm... I somehow didn't notice the HE400s or 500s having them. I thought the Sa500s were way above $1000, like the Qualias. Oh well, still (supposedly) sound bad.

Really? I'm going to go look for those plots.
*searches*
What the heck, these things decay insanely fast! How do they do that?! Isn't that faster then the HD 800s?
Edit:They're almost the exact same, but the HD800s actually have resonance frequencies.
Wait, then how could someone see these as undetailed? He specifically complained about the decay, too...

Because CSD plots don't show much about the resolving ability of a headphone, other than that it has ringing or resonance beyond what it's supposed to reproduce.

A clean CSD plot means what you hear is pretty darn close to what you're getting from the output, but it still doesn't tell you you're getting more details.

If cleaner CSD meant more details, then modded Fostex T50RP headphones would be detail kings... and that's obviously not the case.
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