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post #3361 of 10430

I agree with the One Trick Pony by Holy Cole track, my reference bass track as well.  Has been in my test track playlist for years using jRiver MC 18.  I have many of her albums, and her tracks are very good for acoustic bass, great natural sounding bass!

post #3362 of 10430
So, the dt880 wins at bass, treble, speed, and comfort. The hd 600s win at imaging and mids. The q701s win at depth/width and speed as well. Pretty much the only thing the dt880s dont win at is mids, i dont want as huge of a soundstage as the 701s... Plus detail is very important to me. Is the dt880 really that bad at vocals? Hmmm.... I wonder if a boost to upper mids could fix that when i need it...
post #3363 of 10430

Yah, their material is usually nice. Although it is quite different, I suggest you check out the Phutureprimitive material. You can download the albums in FLAC or Apple Lossless for $10, and the material is really good if you like electronica. I love JRiver MC 18, great product. It made me stop using Foobar 2000 (which is also very nice, just less eye candy/options).

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Who said the 880s are bad for vocals? I think people indicate a perceived weakness and at times we might interpret this as being significant when it isn't at all (or at least highly subjective). Returning again to the Holy Cole track, that is a great test track as the vocals are very live miked and forward in the mix, plenty of texture and depth to them, plus you get the female voice which is the best way to assess vocal portrayl. You give One Trick Pony a listen from good sources and if you find the vocals lacking then I am not sure what to say. I personally think moving the mids back is a good idea when it is done well and the 880s do that well. Mid range contains a great deal of information and detail in music, but this is a double edged sword as that also means this is where a great deal of noise and congestion can come from, so to step it back a tad itsn't a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

Who said the 880s are bad for vocals? I think people indicate a perceived weakness and at times we might interpret this as being significant when it isn't at all (or at least highly subjective). Returning again to the Holy Cole track, that is a great test track as the vocals are very live miked and forward in the mix, plenty of texture and depth to them, plus you get the female voice which is the best way to assess vocal portrayl. You give One Trick Pony a listen from good sources and if you find the vocals lacking then I am not sure what to say. I personally think moving the mids back is a good idea when it is done well and the 880s do that well. Mid range contains a great deal of information and detail in music, but this is a double edged sword as that also means this is where a great deal of noise and congestion can come from, so to step it back a tad itsn't a bad thing.
Im going off the review from brooko who says the dt880s have the least great mids of the trio. Maybe they aren't bad, but they aren't the best at least...

I think I am getting the dt880s, though. They look like they will fit me well!
post #3366 of 10430
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

Who said the 880s are bad for vocals? I think people indicate a perceived weakness and at times we might interpret this as being significant when it isn't at all (or at least highly subjective). Returning again to the Holy Cole track, that is a great test track as the vocals are very live miked and forward in the mix, plenty of texture and depth to them, plus you get the female voice which is the best way to assess vocal portrayl. You give One Trick Pony a listen from good sources and if you find the vocals lacking then I am not sure what to say. I personally think moving the mids back is a good idea when it is done well and the 880s do that well. Mid range contains a great deal of information and detail in music, but this is a double edged sword as that also means this is where a great deal of noise and congestion can come from, so to step it back a tad itsn't a bad thing.
Im going off the review from brooko who says the dt880s have the least great mids of the trio. Maybe they aren't bad, but they aren't the best at least...

I think I am getting the dt880s, though. They look like they will fit me well!

Edit:phones cause double posts for me... Weird....
Edited by daleb - 5/22/13 at 6:53am
post #3367 of 10430

Well, to put things in perspective:

 

I don't find the mids of the DT 880s to be shamed by those of the W3000ANV (at least, not as much as those of the Q701 were).


Edited by 3X0 - 5/22/13 at 6:55am
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Well, to put things in perspective:

I don't find the mids of the DT 880s to be shamed by those of the W3000ANV (at least, not as much as those of the Q701 were).

I've never heard of the w3000anv, ill go look it up.
post #3369 of 10430
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Well, to put things in perspective:

I don't find the mids of the DT 880s to be shamed by those of the W3000ANV (at least, not as much as those of the Q701 were).

I've never heard of the w3000anv, ill go look it up.
post #3370 of 10430
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

Well, to put things in perspective:

I don't find the mids of the DT 880s to be shamed by those of the W3000ANV (at least, not as much as those of the Q701 were).

I've never heard of the w3000anv, ill go look it up.
Edit: i dont think im going to post on a phone again...
Edited by daleb - 5/22/13 at 7:02am
post #3371 of 10430
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

I read an article or post waxing that the DT 880s perceived brightness isn't actually the fault of the headphones (and in fact the DT 880 2003 was much brighter), but of recordings. When played back on speakers, high frequencies are the first to go as you increase listening distance. Many recordings have a built-in brightness to compensate for this high frequency dissipation (pretty much everything is mixed for speaker playback except binaural recordings). To this effect, everything that sounds treble-strident on my headphones sound fine on my speakers. Not sure how the conjecture holds up in modern practice, though.

 

I think it's still a fault with the driver, as the DT880 series does have a treble spike centered around 10KHz, and I know some people (including myself) are very sensitive to treble around that region.

 

Swapping the ear pads can remedy that somewhat, though... since some ear pads can simulate the increased distance, and may also employ felt or foam to dampen or accentuate high frequencies.

post #3372 of 10430
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

I think it's still a fault with the driver, as the DT880 series does have a treble spike centered around 10KHz, and I know some people (including myself) are very sensitive to treble around that region.

 

Swapping the ear pads can remedy that somewhat, though... since some ear pads can simulate the increased distance, and may also employ felt or foam to dampen or accentuate high frequencies.


All headphones are supposed to have accentuated treble in the 8-9KHz (the DT 880 is actually centered smack in between) region to compensate for the human pinna and its effects on auditory perception. You will find some sort of measurable emphasis here in most well-designed headphones, with the exception of the Audeze LCD-2 (not sure about 3).


Edited by 3X0 - 5/22/13 at 7:22am
post #3373 of 10430
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

Who said the 880s are bad for vocals? I think people indicate a perceived weakness and at times we might interpret this as being significant when it isn't at all (or at least highly subjective). Returning again to the Holy Cole track, that is a great test track as the vocals are very live miked and forward in the mix, plenty of texture and depth to them, plus you get the female voice which is the best way to assess vocal portrayl. You give One Trick Pony a listen from good sources and if you find the vocals lacking then I am not sure what to say. I personally think moving the mids back is a good idea when it is done well and the 880s do that well. Mid range contains a great deal of information and detail in music, but this is a double edged sword as that also means this is where a great deal of noise and congestion can come from, so to step it back a tad itsn't a bad thing.

 

I had both the HD600 and the HD580, I sold the HD600 because the mids are elevated compared to the HD580, refering to the Golden Ears FR Graphs.  I think the DT880 600 ohm are more open sounding, and airy, compared to the HD600/580, bigger soundstage as well with the DT880 for me.  Something addicting with the mids, mids are just as good for me as the HD600/580, but I have rewired the DT880's with DHC Peptide double entry, with my gears the cable upgrade is huge.  I do have the same wire made for my Senn's.  I think the HD600/580 compliment the DT880's rather well for me.  I am currently using the DHC Fusion wire on my HD580, and that wire brings the Senn's closer to the DT880's, w/ Peptide wire closer in the highs.  The DHC Fusion is pure stranded silver and pure stranded copper OCC type2 litz in the same wire.  The Fusion wire brings the bass of copper, and the smooth detail and natural sound of pure silver.  I find myself switching between the DT880's and HD580's, and enjoying them equally, can't say one is distinctly better that the other, but I credit my DAC, Tube Amp, and cable upgrades for that.  Both of these phones love the power of a good tube amp, mine can deliver 5W per channel!

post #3374 of 10430
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

I think it's still a fault with the driver, as the DT880 series does have a treble spike centered around 10KHz, and I know some people (including myself) are very sensitive to treble around that region.

Swapping the ear pads can remedy that somewhat, though... since some ear pads can simulate the increased distance, and may also employ felt or foam to dampen or accentuate high frequencies.
its not the driver, it would be a resonance with the earcups. Though, this resonance is very useful for music production to help you get rid of sibilance and overly bright.
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post


All headphones are supposed to have accentuated treble in the 8-9KHz (the DT 880 is actually centered smack in between) region to compensate for the human pinna and its effects on auditory perception. You will find some sort of measurable emphasis here in most well-designed headphones, with the exception of the Audeze LCD-2 (not sure about 3).

 

Yeah, I agree that the 8-9KHz regions are usually boosted. But the DT880 spike is more accentuated than other high-end headphones that have the same spike. That and the difference in level between the treble spike and the closest other hump (midrange) is more than 3dB, so it's very noticeable.

 

It's even worse on the lower impedance models (250 and below) because it starts rising at 5KHz. The 600 Ohm is "smoother and less fatiguing" because it only starts rising around 7-8KHz.

 

The only other high-end headphone that I know of that has a treble spike close to that is the HD800, and people have been trying to mod the headphone to bring its treble levels down for a long while.

 

 

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

its not the driver, it would be a resonance with the earcups. Though, this resonance is very useful for music production to help you get rid of sibilance and overly bright.
 

I'm not saying that the DT880 is a bad headphone, though. But I think it could do with some more tuning (better amps or better acoustic dampening). I was thinking of getting a pair of DT880 again sometime to mod and play around with. I was recently able to tame the treble in a very resonant ATH-W1000X, so I think acoustic dampening of the DT880 is definitely doable.


Edited by Bill-P - 5/22/13 at 7:43am
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