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post #3346 of 8255
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Originally Posted by R Scott Ireland View Post


Although higher in price, the ALO Pam Am is a wonderful match with the 880's (either 250 or 600 ohm versions). They are my favorite headphones with this amp. And 6AK5 tube rolling is very inexpensive compared to 6DJ8's and the better octals. My DT880's sound fabulous with Cifte tubes costing around $10 each, shipping included!


Thanks for the suggestion, the PanAm is an incredible looking little unit and it's a DAC as well, but it is way out of my price range once you add the power supply to it and shipping to Canada... Would not be an "Approved Purchase" for sure...

 

Damn this hobby...

If someone recommends a Manley Stingray II, I'm just going to have to sell off some internal organs, preferably not mine... biggrin.gif 

post #3347 of 8255
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Originally Posted by AristoNYC View Post

I was going to say, that sounded like it would be a track from a video game!

 

and Thumbs up to the Devil Driver fan.


Dez can sure rock out the tunes, soon time for the new album too! \m/\m/

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post #3348 of 8255
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Where can I buy those? Its a song from Katamari Damacy, an amazin PS2 game with a very amazing soundtrack. Each song is just so different from the next one.

 

Here's probably one that'll work better with the same thing happening with the vocals, its in english and has a guitar solo if thats what you're hoping for. It also has violins, flutes, drums, etc. Its a really nice test song because it has so much in it.

 


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69968986/Small%20Two%20of%20Pieces.mp3

 

The vocals I'm speaking of are at  2:45ish. My main goal here is to find out how the soundstage works on these headphones. I've never experienced a soundstage in headphones before, and its really the main reason I'm thinking about getting these over the Q701s. I don't think I'd handle that huge of a soundstage that well...


You can get the headphones here, but they appear to be sold out... http://www.juno.co.uk/products/coloud-hello-kitty-headphones-red-nice/384536-01/

 

That song is much better, I listened to it on the S500's and they have everything all together in your head. The Porta Pro's add a little bit of percieved depth to the song since they are open and the 880's are wider still with better separation. I have not heard the AKG's so I can't comment on them.

 

You might want to check out this article here comparing the DT880's, AKG701 and the HD650's it might help you to decide the best choice for you.

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post #3349 of 8255
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post


You can get the headphones here, but they appear to be sold out... http://www.juno.co.uk/products/coloud-hello-kitty-headphones-red-nice/384536-01/

 

That song is much better, I listened to it on the S500's and they have everything all together in your head. The Porta Pro's add a little bit of percieved depth to the song since they are open and the 880's are wider still with better separation. I have not heard the AKG's so I can't comment on them.

 

You might want to check out this article here comparing the DT880's, AKG701 and the HD650's it might help you to decide the best choice for you.

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My main goal is that I don't want to lost the power behind the instruments by them being so far away. Am I wrong in thinking soundstage decreases power and getting into the song?

 

I have read that comparison, I found the 701 review rather funny.

post #3350 of 8255

@DaleB

 

I currently own the DT880s, HD600s and K701s.  I'm at work right now.  I'll load up your you-tube link in a few hours, and play through each of them - and then give my impressions on each one with that particular song.

 

PS - I hope the music is good.  Work firewall blocks you-tube, so I have no idea what I'm volunteering for here wink.gif.

post #3351 of 8255

Oh, its not on youtube, they are on dropbox.

The second song should be something you like, a nice blend of vocals, orchestral instruments, and distorted guitars.

The first one would be a very acquired taste, as it is a japanese pop-ish song. Man, that game has such an eclectic soundtrack. YOU ARE SMART and WANDA WANDA, anyone?

Instead of listening to that first one, how about this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69968986/Christopher%20Tin%20-%20Baba%20Yetu.mp3

How does Queen sound on these? I love that band so much.

I have already basically assumed the DT880s are better for dubstep and other forms of EDM, though.

Just worried about vocals.

Thank you so much!

 

Edit: I'd like to see how you like funk dubstep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj94FokYz1w


Edited by daleb - 5/21/13 at 9:35pm
post #3352 of 8255
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post


I have already basically assumed the DT880s are better for dubstep and other forms of EDM, though.

This IM track sounds anemic on the DT880, bass is there but not in a quantity you need for DubStep / EDM.

What your looking for is a pair of Ultrasones, you can feel the bass in this song with the HFI-780's biggrin.gif

 

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Bass is actually the least important part of music to me. In fact, I often find it annoying. I already ordered a cheap $50 pair (The HA-S500s) for when I want to truly experience bass, though. From what I hear, and from looking at  and talking to other sound engineers who master dubstep, the treble is so much more important then the bass of the song.  Almost all of the detail and power comes from the treble, because the synthesizers in dubstep are designed with many more harmonics then what is natural. Plus, I'm pretty sure the DT880s will be way warmer then my current headphones EQ settings, because I have the area between 150 and 500 hz done 2 db or so, and the HD 280s already lack in that area a ton. I don't like muddyness.

 

Edit: Oh, that's a way different kind of dubstep then what I make and what I like to listen to.

Here, let me introduce you to the incredible artist known as Savant:

Black Magic

Pirate Bay

Nightmare Adventures

 

If the DT880s sounds good with these, that's just an instant "I'm getting this headphone" deal.

 

Edit2: I should say that bass is, of course, still very important to the mastering process of dubstep. I'm just trying to say the treble is just as much of a driving force.

 

Edit3: 4:15 of that song. Whoa.

Also, how far away does the banjo sound to you on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyPdKcm6n8o

Its the only thing I've experience outside of my head on my 280s. They don't have soundstage, and so experiencing that kind of set my fears of soundstage, because to accomplish that he had to make it sound weak in the process.

 

Edit4: The banjo sounds like I'm sitting on a desk and someone is sitting right in front of the desk in a chair playing it softly. Only a foot in front of me and 2 feet down. I'm assuming the DT880 positions it somewhere farther out?


Edited by daleb - 5/21/13 at 9:41pm
post #3354 of 8255

Yes Infected Mushroom are more psytrance...

 

Those songs are good but as a listener I find them bland on the DT880's. If you were mixing those tracks instead, the 880's would be fine.

The banjo sounds like I'm listening to it through a paper towel tube at the start of the song.

 

Here is a little thing totally OT but very cool with positional audio, check this out with headphones.

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post #3355 of 8255

I love the studio sound. I find it way more fun then anything else, usually, so I don't think our opinion will cross here :P

Oh, I forgot about the binaural stuff like the Virtual Barber Shop. That BARELY gets out of the head, and only to the left and the right, with my 280s.

Edit: Which headphones WOULD you use for those songs?


Edited by daleb - 5/21/13 at 10:17pm
post #3356 of 8255

@daleb

 

Thanks for the samples.  Just remember with my comments that I'm 46, have mild (but permanent) tinnitus, and tend toward brighter cans (I personally found the HD650 a tad too coloured when I compared them to the HD600).  I like most genres of music - and that includes jazz, classical, opera, blues and most forms of rock.  I like grunge - not really into metal or really heavy (thrash type) rock.  I like orchestral dub (Lindsey Stirling) - but not a huge fan (or haven't heard) much else I like (in the dub genre).  I do like some trance and electronic - but they are not high on my list of favourite genres.  I tend to like cans with slightly forward mids (vocals, guitars - esp acoustic, sax etc).  I like some bass - but balanced.

 

Anyway - I'll give you a few brief impressions based on limited listening.

 

  1. Lonely Rolling Star - really hard for me to pick sound stage - because the track itself doesn't really provide a lot of staging clues.  Of the 3 cans - K701 has the widest stage with most separation.  DT880 has the most detail - but vocals have the most distance - comparatively the vocals on the K701 are more forward.  Stage on the DT880 is narrower with less air. HD600 stage is between the two - but has the best imaging.  If I was to pick a can for this one - it would be between DT880 and HD600 - probably the HD600.
  2. The Xenogears OST track - slightly muffled on HD600 at first listen, but I think this may be more to do with switching between HD600, DT880 and K701.  HD600 and DT880 have similar soundstage.  DT880 far more detail.  K701 - again wider stage - needs more bass impact.  Illusion of more detail than DT880 - but switching back negates that - it's just the lack of bass.  Guitar solo better on the HD600 than anything else.  Close between HD600 and DT880.
  3. The dubstep youtube (Savant - Nightmare Adventures) - like icepicks on both K701 and DT880.  Wasn't quite as bad on the HD600 - but still pretty unpleasant to these ears.  I can only conclude that it really isn't my sort of music - so maybe better if I leave comments on that one to other Beyer/AKG/Senn owners.  I really disliked this music - sorry.
  4. Left Baba Yetu until last - mainly because I own the album (Calling All Dawns).  Hope you don't mind - but I used my own lossless rip.  DT880 and HD600 once again very close on stage depth and width.  K701 has widest stage and most separation - but for me the HD600 has (again) best imaging and depth.  DT880 has best (accurate) bass and most detail.  K701 has a very pleasing warmth and combined with space makes this really nice to listen to.  HD600 again most realistic sounding though - bass just slightly boomy.  My choice would be HD600 > K701 > DT880.
 
 
All of above was on PC - optical to an Audio-gd NFB-12 then to a Little Dot MKIV with upgraded tubes (6H30Pi EH & Mullard M8100).  So they do tend to bring the mid-range slightly forward for all 3 cans (the set-up really helps the DT880 which can tend to be a bit dry IMO).
 
Perhaps best to give you my overall take on the 3 cans in main areas I think you wanted comparisons.

 

  • Bass = DT880 > HD600 >> K701
    DT880 is most accurate in the bass to me.  HD600 has plenty of it (for me), but more mid-bass which can sometimes exhibit a bit of bloom.
  • Mid-range = HD600 > K701 > DT880
    HD600 has most forward mid-range, but for me it is also most accurate and realistic.  Instruments really sound like they do in real life - especially stringed instruments.
  • Highs = DT880 > K701 > HD600
    DT880 really are detail monsters - definitely brightest of the 3.  Again - most realistic though would be HD600.  At times DT880 can be a little too etched.
  • Sound stage width = K701 > HD600/DT880
    No question - K701 definitely wider with more separation.  I really like them for classical and instrumental - but sometimes they suffer from not being totally realistic.  DT880 and HD600 are about right IMO.
  • Sound stage depth & imaging = HD600.
    Hard to classify the K701 and DT880.  The HD600 though is simply more holographic and gives more accurate spatial cues.
  • Speed = DT880/K701 > HD600
    Both DT880 and K701 seem to handle speed better than the HD600 - however for most of my music, speed is not a requisite so all of these cans are great.
  • Comfort = DT880 >HD600/K701
    DT880 in front but not by a lot.  HD600 is very comfortable in it's own right - but I rank it with my K701 because they are lighter clamp + I have removed the bumps, and added a layer of very soft lambskin leather (with foam padding under it).  My K701 are very comfortable after the mod.

 

Overall ranking - for me - HD600 = DT880 = K701

 

I know that's a cop-out, but I use all of them practically every day - just depends on what sort of mood I am in.  They are each excellent headphones.

 

If you have some harsh recordings that won't stand up to a headphone with a high level of detail - maybe the DT880 may not be ideal.  Their mid-range (while pretty well balanced) are not the focal point either  - so consider that if vocals are important.

 

Parting observation - DT880 are far and away most detailed.  HD600 are (for my ears) most realistic.  K701 is somewhere in between - albeit with less than ideal bass.

 

Hope some of that helps.

 

BTW - thanks for the music links.  Will leave you with a couple - more for the sound stage than anything else.  Definitely different to what you may normally like but hope you enjoy.  Both are fantastic on the HD600 in particular wink.gif .

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9NK-EbUAao

(I have the CD - the ripped version is better than the youtube upload)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHOH0d0smns

The whole album (Portico Quartet) is a stunner.


Edited by Brooko - 5/22/13 at 3:15am
post #3357 of 8255

Thanks for doing that review! All you did was prove to me I want the HD600s, which I already knew, but that's way out of my price range XD

I still don't know which to get now... But with this review, I'll be able to think it over much easier, so thank you so much for that.

Sorry about the dubstep song, was maybe thinking the guitar would make it work better for you redface.gif

post #3358 of 8255

I read an article or post waxing that the DT 880s perceived brightness isn't actually the fault of the headphones (and in fact the DT 880 2003 was much brighter), but of recordings. When played back on speakers, high frequencies are the first to go as you increase listening distance. Many recordings have a built-in brightness to compensate for this high frequency dissipation (pretty much everything is mixed for speaker playback except binaural recordings). To this effect, everything that sounds treble-strident on my headphones sound fine on my speakers. Not sure how the conjecture holds up in modern practice, though.

post #3359 of 8255

Thats very true, the dt880s are neutral, following the same signature as the hd800s.
post #3360 of 8255
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Thanks for doing that review! All you did was prove to me I want the HD600s, which I already knew, but that's way out of my price range XD

I still don't know which to get now... But with this review, I'll be able to think it over much easier, so thank you so much for that.

Sorry about the dubstep song, was maybe thinking the guitar would make it work better for you redface.gif

Hopefully you can hear both of these before you decide. If you like bass that isn't over-presented then the 880 is a fantastic choice. There were times I would think maybe these are bass shy, but then I realised that the 880 does a fantastic job at presenting the bass as it is mastered on the track. The other thing I liked with the 880 bass is that it seemed pretty nimble and accurate, it was able to capture a fair degree of tonal difference in bass with strings really showing this such as with accoustic bass as a great example, or the cello. If you want to hear a good example of this, not sure if I mentioned the track before, but the track is One Trick Pony by Holy Cole. Yummy bass strike to start the song. I Have nice speakers and I first heard this song on them many times (it is a reference song for me), and the 880s do an amazing job here. Another sick track for bass is Cryogenic Dreams by Phutureprimitive off of the Album Kinetic (electronica that will make your system shine, so well recorded - quality samples used not cheap crap). Here is a youtube link:

 

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