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post #3316 of 10423

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Originally Posted by SBranson View Post

 

I've had the 800/600ohm for a few weeks now and recently came from the HD600, the Q701, the K702.65 on my way to the 880s.

(in my profile you can see what I've heard in the last 6 months).

 

First off, the 880s are my favourite of this bunch mentioned.  I would say, however, that both the HD600 and the Q701 both do something better than the 880s but their weaknesses prove the 880s to be a better performer all 'round.  (I hated the K702.65s though).

The Q701s are very clear and have a great soundstage but their brilliance is limited to somewhere in the mids to upper mids.  The bass is an approximation at best.  You can hear the notes but they are weak and lacking body and definition.  The HD600s also have a wonderful clarity but have a fatal flaw in the lower mids(?), a smearing and lack of detail that killed them for me.  I even noticed this "flaw" in the HD800 so I don't know what that's all about.

 

The 880s to me are the best all around in comparison.  Nicely detailed with very good bass that even has some nice rumbling visceral response that neither those other two had.  For your music choices mentioned, I would definitely pick the 880s over the Q701s, particularly for the bass in the electronic music.

The Q701s are very nice for smaller chamber pieces and baroque music.

 

My only complaint about the 880s is that they suffer a little congestion.  It's something I heard in the T1s as compared to the HD800s as well.  It's difficult to explain unless you go from a T1 to an HD800 or Stax.  The scale of the HD800 is a real "wow" moment.  And if you've ever heard stax, there is an endless air to them that nothing seems to match.

The 880s don't have this. (nor should you expect that from something at this price)  They can seem a little closed in, while at the same time seemingly to have a good soundstage.  BUT... it's only one of those things that you notice if you've come from something that is more open.  Compared to the Q701, this is not an issue.

 

The 880s have good detail, and are a very evenly tuned headphone.  They do everything well but nothing in particular is spectacular.  What I mean is that nothing stands out as everything seems equally good.  That, to me, is a good thing for a headphone in this price bracket and for an all'rounder. 

For me though, I was looking for something that would do well in Baroque and Choral pieces up to modern composers like P.Glass and Max Richter as well as do jazz, rock and electronic.   The 880s are the best I've gotten to so far since selling off the more expensive pieces.

 

If you get the 880s, I'm sure you'll be pleased.


I agree with this. The DT 880 is my favorite of the mid-fi headphone category, along with the ATH-W1000X. I personally think the 880s are much better than the Q701 though. The DT 880 isn't shamed by much higher-end transducers as easily as the Q701s are IMHO.

 

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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

I had my 880s for two years, and believe me when I say I wish I still had them. As mentioned above, they do nothing poorly, or even wrong, and to my ears they get some things very right. I like how SBranson put it, they are indeed an overall very balanced approach to presenting music. If your source material isn't horrid bright crap, the 880s will give you a nice musical presentation, but as with any headphone, garbage in garbage out so if you throw low bitrate mp3s from hot-mastered pop music, nothing will save your ears at that point. I listen to plenty of electronica now and most of it is actually quite decent to listen to, at least what I have (Deadmau5, Pitch Black, Phutureprimitive, Bluetech, Thievery Corporation etc). I'm not sure what source you have, but if it is a smartphone you may want to consider paying the $4.99 to get Neutron as your music player. It is a really good sounding music player and importantly it has a four band parametric EQ which allows you to "clean" things up where needed without applying really broad sonic changes to the frequencies surrounding the ones you are trying to work with.

 

Just thinking I'm still in the V-80 thread, of course your not using a smartphone with the 880s! I never did like orchestral music with the 880s, however, that is very likely to have been at least in a big way the source music as I have learned the hard way that a great deal of this material is actually not very well recorded. A friend of mine is quite into this genre and he actually owns a music store that sells hard to find music like orchestral, folk and jazz and he was the one who told me recording quality in classical/orchestral varies wildly with plenty of poor calibre recordings, and based on my listening he is correct. I like the vocal material through the 880s, while not spetacular, they have a really nice, detailed, but not analytical way of portraying the music. One of my favourite songs to test headphones with is a Holly Cole song, One Trick Pony from the album Hopelessly Romantic. This song starts off with a long thundering bass strike that continues and reverbarates as it goes deep and decays slowly, then her smokey voice comes in with plenty of throaty texture. A great test track IMO. Hey, this is my 400 post, nice!

Still can't believe you outright sold them for the D7000s instead of stretching for a little bit and comparing the two first (you can always sell right after the comparison). My D7000s arrive tomorrow and I'm excited to see how they do.

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I know, but I take musical gambles, I always have. I have read enough postings about the D7000 to know that I couldn't possibly hate them, and most likely will really like them. There was no way I could let my credit card balance sit up there, I feel anxious when I owe more than $1000 on a credit card, and after getting the D7000, it was more like $1800! So I was in super quick debt reduction mode, I wanted the lowest possible balance before that first compound interest calculation was done!

 

I'm likely not getting my D7000 until the end of this week. I trust the seller from here, and a long time member here with good feedback, but according to the seller he got no tracking number from USPS? Makes no sense to me and I must admit I'm nervous when I can't even track my package. The seller is solid I'm sure of that and he assured me the package was insured. When I paid I was sure there would be a tracking number as I have never heard of a shipped package from the US without one so I'm really surprised. Still, as I said, I trust the seller quite a bit and if something were to go wrong, I know it wouldn't be due to the seller being dishonest in anyway. I think the USPS agent didn't know what they were talking about when saying a tracking number wasn't available as the seller used International Priority service which clearly states that it provides tracking and for pete's sake, I'm in Ontario, Canada, not some obscure location so how can it not be tracked. Funny story, my 650s which I also sold were sent to a guy in Hawaii, and he received the package in 3 days, and it cost less money than the US package I'm waiting for!


Edited by Sonic Defender - 5/21/13 at 6:56am
post #3318 of 10423
Whichever one I pick would be a gigantic boost compared to what i have now, the hd 280 pros. Can these be powered by an E11? This is such a hard choice... Ive never reaply heard a soundstage before, so i dont think that will bother me. I really like upper mids though, so that might make the q701s better for me. Im not worried at all about treble, i dont get listening fatigue ever. Hmm... Is the treble as sparkely as the q701s though? These things just dont have enough hype surrounding them!

These things also look to be the most comfortable things in the world, is that true?
post #3319 of 10423

I know this has probably been asked 100 times, but would the Little Dot MK III be a good pairing with the DT880 Pro's?

Or is there something comparable (I like the looks of the MK III) to it that would be a better choice, with easy to obtain tubes that are not worth more than the amp itself etc...

Something in a similar price range, lower or possibly a little it higher maybe, the Woo's look amazing but they are a bit out of my budget...

 

Thanks!

post #3320 of 10423
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Can these be powered by an E11?

These things also look to be the most comfortable things in the world, is that true?

The E11 just powers my Pro's, so I would look for somthing with a little more oomph to it,  E12 or C&C BH etc...

 

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post #3321 of 10423
So is the 880 pro 250 harder to drive then the Q701? How do These sound with vocals in comparison?
post #3322 of 10423
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

I know this has probably been asked 100 times, but would the Little Dot MK III be a good pairing with the DT880 Pro's?
Or is there something comparable (I like the looks of the MK III) to it that would be a better choice, with easy to obtain tubes that are not worth more than the amp itself etc...
Something in a similar price range, lower or possibly a little it higher maybe, the Woo's look amazing but they are a bit out of my budget...

Thanks!

What is your budget/max? I went with a Darkvoice 336se from the FS thread. If I had to buy new, I would've went with the slightly better La Figaro 336c for 300 from YuKing. The power tube can be rolled into the Bottlehead Crack, the driver as well with an adapter for "future" proofing. smily_headphones1.gif
post #3323 of 10423

The E11 should drive the 880 250ohm, I used it to drive my HD 650s that were 300ohm and not that efficient so it should be similar results. Now will it drive them with full authority? I doubt that. It sounds like the new E12 might be a good fit. And yes, the 880s are extremely comfortable, at least I found them that way.

post #3324 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

I know, but I take musical gambles, I always have. I have read enough postings about the D7000 to know that I couldn't possibly hate them, and most likely will really like them. There was no way I could let my credit card balance sit up there, I feel anxious when I owe more than $1000 on a credit card, and after getting the D7000, it was more like $1800! So I was in super quick debt reduction mode, I wanted the lowest possible balance before that first compound interest calculation was done!

 

I'm likely not getting my D7000 until the end of this week. I trust the seller from here, and a long time member here with good feedback, but according to the seller he got no tracking number from USPS? Makes no sense to me and I must admit I'm nervous when I can't even track my package. The seller is solid I'm sure of that and he assured me the package was insured. When I paid I was sure there would be a tracking number as I have never heard of a shipped package from the US without one so I'm really surprised. Still, as I said, I trust the seller quite a bit and if something were to go wrong, I know it wouldn't be due to the seller being dishonest in anyway. I think the USPS agent didn't know what they were talking about when saying a tracking number wasn't available as the seller used International Priority service which clearly states that it provides tracking and for pete's sake, I'm in Ontario, Canada, not some obscure location so how can it not be tracked. Funny story, my 650s which I also sold were sent to a guy in Hawaii, and he received the package in 3 days, and it cost less money than the US package I'm waiting for!

~$800 for a D7000!? You could import a brand-new Fostex TH-600 for that price!

 

And yes, tracking is frequently prohibitively expensive for international shipments originating from the United States -- we're easily talking $20-30 just for the tracking here.

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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

These things just dont have enough hype surrounding them!

These things also look to be the most comfortable things in the world, is that true?


If comfort is even remotely a concern, the DT 880 is the obvious choice. The Q701 will be unbearable for some people. I haven't heard anyone to find Beyerdynamics uncomfortable.

 

Back a few years ago the K701 was dead-last in the 650/701/880 popularity contest. The 650 was first in terms of popularity, but the DT 880 wasn't terribly far behind. The DT 880 is an old design; AKG has managed to boost popularity of the 701 series by rehashing it as the K702 and then the Q701 under Harman's leadership, with more aggressive distribution.

post #3325 of 10423
Isnt the dt880s slightly v shaped? Wont that make vocals worse?... So far I can assume its better for dubstep, but I dont know about orchestral or vocal music....
post #3326 of 10423
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Isnt the dt880s slightly v shaped? Wont that make vocals worse?

No, no. That's the DT 990. DT 880 is very neutral. Vocals sound great -- in-your-face when they need to be, reserved when they don't.

 

Vocals on the Q701 sound a little distant all the time because it doesn't have good central projection.

 

If you can't audition the two, you need to find impressions compared to things you have heard/own by people who feel similarly about your gear. My preference for the DT 880 over the Q701 is relative to its performance against my JH13s as well as mild experience listening to instruments. I prefer the JH13s over all full-size non-electrostatic headphones. Many people who'll suggest you one over the other might not be used to better equipment, real-life listening or headphones you've used. Many people will have different sentiments, preferring for example the HD 800 in the high-end and maybe saying they like the Q701s better than the DT 880s in that relativity.

 

And all the research in the world still won't come close to a proper audition.


Edited by 3X0 - 5/21/13 at 9:06am
post #3327 of 10423
Oh... I actually want vocals closer to me (when its meant to be... Sadly these dont come in strangely colored edition like the lime green i would get on the 701s... According to the battle of the flagships, these arent detailed. How does that sound? I love detail...

Edit: I hopefully will be going to a head-fi meet up in a few weeks, so ill get to try them out there.

Edit2:supposedly these things handle low bitrate things even worse then the q701s? How does that work? Is that true?
Edited by daleb - 5/21/13 at 9:22am
post #3328 of 10423
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

~$800 for a D7000!? You could import a brand-new Fostex TH-600 for that price!

 

And yes, tracking is frequently prohibitively expensive for international shipments originating from the United States -- we're easily talking $20-30 just for the tracking here.


If comfort is even remotely a concern, the DT 880 is the obvious choice. The Q701 will be unbearable for some people. I haven't heard anyone to find Beyerdynamics uncomfortable.

 

Back a few years ago the K701 was dead-last in the 650/701/880 popularity contest. The 650 was first in terms of popularity, but the DT 880 wasn't terribly far behind. The DT 880 is an old design; AKG has managed to boost popularity of the 701 series by rehashing it as the K702 and then the Q701 under Harman's leadership, with more aggressive distribution.

 

I was considering the TH-600, but if I purchased it new I would have been hit with a great amount extra in customs/duties/taxes, it would have been way more expensive than the D7000 and from what I read from those who have heard/owned both it is debatable if the TH-600 is actually any better. I think the D7000 is one of those most hear sound signatures, after all, it is likely the sound signature that the TH-600/900 were built to compete against.

post #3329 of 10423

I think I am going to go with the 250pro's as I don't think my E17 (w/ or w/o E9) will really do the 600's justice. Plus it seems that there isnt too much difference between the two in regards to overall sound quality. 

post #3330 of 10423
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

I'm likely not getting my D7000 until the end of this week. I trust the seller from here, and a long time member here with good feedback, but according to the seller he got no tracking number from USPS? Makes no sense to me and I must admit I'm nervous when I can't even track my package. The seller is solid I'm sure of that and he assured me the package was insured. When I paid I was sure there would be a tracking number as I have never heard of a shipped package from the US without one so I'm really surprised. Still, as I said, I trust the seller quite a bit and if something were to go wrong, I know it wouldn't be due to the seller being dishonest in anyway. I think the USPS agent didn't know what they were talking about when saying a tracking number wasn't available as the seller used International Priority service which clearly states that it provides tracking and for pete's sake, I'm in Ontario, Canada, not some obscure location so how can it not be tracked. Funny story, my 650s which I also sold were sent to a guy in Hawaii, and he received the package in 3 days, and it cost less money than the US package I'm waiting for!

It should've came with a tracking number. Ask for a shot of the reciept. Should be a sequence of numbers (4 x 5 + 2) long. It's included in priority now. And no, it doesn't cost 20-30 to get it added on. I've shipped intl a few times and I've always got a tracking number because It's a safety precaution for the seller as well. What's to stop the buyer from getting the package and claim they never got it? Long standing member or not, I would still ask to be on the safe side.
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