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post #3166 of 10436
No that is a good question. I have never heard the STX, but if it has a line out and it should. The E09K is relatively flat so it should not colour the sound a great deal. The volume knob is really handy to have right there, or so mine is. And the E09K has outputs for your powered speakers if you use any as well, pre out and line out.
post #3167 of 10436
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Originally Posted by ChrisAfric View Post

Hello guys! I've been enjoying my DT880/600 for almost a week now powered by Asus Xonar STX.

 

I just got a stupid question, is it possible for a fiio e09k be connected to Asus Xonar STX? You might be wondering what would be my reason for doing that, probably I just love the convenience of having to adjust the volume right away. Is this possible and will there be any improvements on the sound quality? Just curious, thanks guys!

 

IMHO you will be wasting your money. E9k wont sound any better than STX output. Unless you need more power (which I doubt having used this combo as well), dont get a separate amp unless you get something a bit more expensive than an entry level <150$ headamp.   Your best bet it to change op-amps on the STX instead, you will extract more sound quality out of that.

post #3168 of 10436

I am currently in possession of two pairs of DT880s.

 

Number 1 is the 250 ohm version that I've had for about 2 years.  They've gotten a lot of use in those two years.  The velour pads are soft and molded to my head.  They sound as good to me as they've ever sounded.

 

Number 2 is the 600 ohm version that just came in the mail an hour ago.  They're not brand new, but they almost are.  I don't know how many hours the previous owner put on them but it was very few.  They're indistinguishable from a a new pair.  The velour pads are still stiffish (compared to the 250) and "tall."

 

DAC is a Musical Fidelity V-DAC

Amp is a Woo Audio WA3 with some tasty NOS tubes

 

There is actually a pretty significant difference in sound between these two sets of headphones.  The 250s have a more even spectral signature.  Better in the bass and lower mids.  The 600s have a more crisp sound, but the highs are almost too much.  Symbols have a splashy sound (that'd be the sibilance others have mentioned).  I'm finding the 600s fatiguing, and when I switch back to the 250s my ears feel like they can relax.

 

Are these differences due to the differences between the two types of drivers?  Or are they due to the lack of run-in time on the 600s?  I don't know, but I look forward to finding out.

post #3169 of 10436

 

 

http://imgur.com/a/vzQOg

So I was going to rewire my DT880 600ohms based on a few guides ive read.. I opened it up and saw this.

 

I plan on using Mogami W2534 and id really like to do a dual entry split.

 

Any ideas on how to handle the crossover etc?


Edited by Kenjiwing - 4/24/13 at 1:08pm
post #3170 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Kenjiwing View Post







http://imgur.com/a/vzQOg
So I was going to rewire my DT880 600ohms based on a few guides ive read.. I opened it up and saw this.

I plan on using Mogami W2534 and id really like to do a dual entry split.

Any ideas on how to handle the crossover etc?

Those look like Zener diodes for voltage limiting.
I'd leave them in.
post #3171 of 10436
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Originally Posted by RevMen View Post

I am currently in possession of two pairs of DT880s.

 

Number 1 is the 250 ohm version that I've had for about 2 years.  They've gotten a lot of use in those two years.  The velour pads are soft and molded to my head.  They sound as good to me as they've ever sounded.

 

Number 2 is the 600 ohm version that just came in the mail an hour ago.  They're not brand new, but they almost are.  I don't know how many hours the previous owner put on them but it was very few.  They're indistinguishable from a a new pair.  The velour pads are still stiffish (compared to the 250) and "tall."

 

DAC is a Musical Fidelity V-DAC

Amp is a Woo Audio WA3 with some tasty NOS tubes

 

There is actually a pretty significant difference in sound between these two sets of headphones.  The 250s have a more even spectral signature.  Better in the bass and lower mids.  The 600s have a more crisp sound, but the highs are almost too much.  Symbols have a splashy sound (that'd be the sibilance others have mentioned).  I'm finding the 600s fatiguing, and when I switch back to the 250s my ears feel like they can relax.

 

Are these differences due to the differences between the two types of drivers?  Or are they due to the lack of run-in time on the 600s?  I don't know, but I look forward to finding out.

Definatley the pads.

post #3172 of 10436
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Definatley the pads.

"That'd be easy to test," I said to myself upon reading your post.

 

So I switched the pads between them.  Now the 250s have the new, stiff pads and the 600s have the old, squishy ones.  It changed the sound on the 600s for the better.  A little more low frequency, a little less harsh on the highs.  But still not as much low frequency as the 250s, and still harsher highs.  The 250s also changed, but I'm not sure if it's better or worse.  Just different.  The 250s still sound better to me right now than the 600s, though the gap has narrowed.

 

So I conclude that the wearing in of the pads can make a positive improvement, but is still not the only change.  I have not been listening to the 600s all afternoon.  I want to try to take out as much "ears getting used to it" effect as I can.  I plan on running the headphones on their own all night to see if that changes anything by tomorrow.

post #3173 of 10436
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Definitely the pads.

 

Agree.  I owned both - side by side for a while - and the differences are very small to my ears.  I went with the 600 ohm - but only because I mostly use my Little Dot MKIV.

 

Pad condition / positioning will make audible difference.

post #3174 of 10436
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Definatley the pads.

"That'd be easy to test," I said to myself upon reading your post.

 

So I switched the pads between them.  Now the 250s have the new, stiff pads and the 600s have the old, squishy ones.  It changed the sound on the 600s for the better.  A little more low frequency, a little less harsh on the highs.  But still not as much low frequency as the 250s, and still harsher highs.  The 250s also changed, but I'm not sure if it's better or worse.  Just different.  The 250s still sound better to me right now than the 600s, though the gap has narrowed.

 

So I conclude that the wearing in of the pads can make a positive improvement, but is still not the only change.  I have not been listening to the 600s all afternoon.  I want to try to take out as much "ears getting used to it" effect as I can.  I plan on running the headphones on their own all night to see if that changes anything by tomorrow.

Nice to hear! Good thinking switching the padswink_face.gif

post #3175 of 10436

On this topic, where can I buy new pads? Maybe not from Beyerdynamic's website, but I can do that..

post #3176 of 10436
I got mine from Amazon. someone returned them so they marked it down to around 20. when I got them, still sealed. biggrin.gif
post #3177 of 10436
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Originally Posted by RevMen View Post

There is actually a pretty significant difference in sound between these two sets of headphones.  The 250s have a more even spectral signature.  Better in the bass and lower mids.  The 600s have a more crisp sound, but the highs are almost too much.  Symbols have a splashy sound (that'd be the sibilance others have mentioned).  I'm finding the 600s fatiguing, and when I switch back to the 250s my ears feel like they can relax.

 

 

 

I had a pair of 600s at the same time as my 250 Pros and found the same thing: that the 600s were too bright and splashy. The 600s were well worn in too. I think the difference is due to the different pad pressure. In any case the 600s are not automatically superior to the 250s in every situation, even if they have the potential to be in many situations. There are just too many possible variables.

post #3178 of 10436
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

I had a pair of 600s at the same time as my 250 Pros and found the same thing: that the 600s were too bright and splashy. The 600s were well worn in too. I think the difference is due to the different pad pressure. In any case the 600s are not automatically superior to the 250s in every situation, even if they have the potential to be in many situations. There are just too many possible variables.

 

Very strange..................

I have a pair of 600 Ohm DT880.

I do not find them bright at all.

I've read so much about them being bright, trebly, too much treble, etc that I decided to do a comparison.

 

So I compared my 600 Ohm DT880s to a 32 Ohm pair. Both 'phones had seen some use, so we can assumed they are both "burned in".

The only difference?  The 600 Ohm version had a very slightly smoother sounding treble.

That was the only difference I could hear, after adjusting for sensitivity differences between the two 'phones.

 

All this difference in sound probably has more to do with manufacturing tolerances than anything.  confused_face_2.gif

post #3179 of 10436
Yep. Definitely tolerance. Talking about which, a friend today brought his worn-to-death 5-year-old 600 Ohm in.

Guess what? They aren't bright at all. Very smooth and articulated. Makes me wonder if I never bothered to burn mine in properly... (6-month ownership)

I may pick up another pair of 880 sometime soon and this time I'll pump music through it for as long as I possibly can. See how much the sound changes.
post #3180 of 10436

I think the amplifier you power them with has a lot to do with the differences in sound between high and low impedance drivers.

 

After a night of letting my 600s run, they are less harsh in the highs.  Now the differences between the 250s and the 600s are subtle, but still there.  The 600s are more controlled and even, with details resolved a little finer.  The 250s are more dynamic, more engaging, with a little more space, but less detailed.

 

I've been switching back and forth all morning, and every time I switch to the other one I think "oh, I like this better."  ha ha.  So I guess I no longer have a preference.  I'll probably end up keeping the 600, but I'm going to live with both of them a while longer to be sure.

 

I also tried my other DAC, an Audio-GD NFB-3, for a while.  That DAC has a bit less resolution than my V-DAC, and the two headphones sounded much more similar, almost indistinguishable.

 

So if someone were trying to decide whether the 600-ohm is worth another $100, my answer would be "not unless you have a powerful amplifier and a very detailed DAC." 

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