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post #3061 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

I think the only consensus is that they aren't dark/veiled. Seriously though, I think all headphones experience similar debates over how they sound. We all have different preferences and equipment. Not to mention that some persons seem to be more prone to listening fatigue than others and we hear differently.

I find the the DT880s neutral and nicely balanced with my DAC1. 

They actually sound better with a bottle of good scotch! tongue.gif
post #3062 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Ajani View Post

lol. That's why I sometimes have to laugh when people get into arguments about how an item sounds and what is over-rated etc... We all hear differently. I've tended to like headphones and speakers, other persons claim are bright... 

 

I also enjoy using my DAC1 with the K701's. Which other persons claim should be an atrocious combination.  

 

Now that IS funny. I actually have tried that combination (DAC1 with the K701's), and yes... I found it atrociously bright, strident and downright painful. Hahaha...

Yep, to each is or her own. I guess my ears are just much more sensitive to the upper registers.

 

But Chris J has a great idea... Single Malt cures multiple ills.

post #3063 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post

There is differences production aswell on the dt880. I ordered 250 and 600 when I bought it. And then they sounded 99% the same but the 600 was more fatiguing.

 

You mean the other 1%, which you could somehow miraculously detect, made the 600 ohm more fatiguing all by its little old self?  

 

Or did you just put that rather badly?  wink.gif

post #3064 of 8075

Dont make it so difficult, the difference was so little it was extremely hard to tell them apart for all of us. Only thing was that on some tracks we did find one of them more fatiguing and then it was the 600ohm, probably a high spike in the upper range. 99% or 1% was only to say they are so to say the same nothing to get stuck on...

post #3065 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post

Only thing was that on some tracks we did find one of them more fatiguing and then it was the 600ohm

 

What are/were you powering them with?

post #3066 of 8075

Testing was done with a old tube amp that is not mine and the o2 and a vintage reciever. The tube amp has around 60ohm output impedance from self measuring nad 5watt max. Both the tube amp and the O2 justify the 600ohm dt880 and delivers. Still this is now over  a year ago since, we were 3 testing and my wife did work with switching headphones so that we should not know what was what. The one with the tube amp had also been owning a pair of stax and lcd2 so he was the one who told me to go for the 600. The return policy is very good here so I ordered both, and sold of the 600 in the end as it is more demanding if you want to use it from portable sources.

post #3067 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post

Testing was done with a old tube amp that is not mine and the o2 and a vintage reciever. The tube amp has around 60ohm output impedance from self measuring nad 5watt max. Both the tube amp and the O2 justify the 600ohm dt880 and delivers.

 

Well I don't know what tube amp and tubes you were using but sibilance on these comes out when they're inadequately powered. The O2 doesn't justify the 600Ohm DT880s by any means, the O2 is built for portable headphones and IEMs.

 

post #3068 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Graphicism View Post

 

Well I don't know what tube amp and tubes you were using but sibilance on these comes out when they're inadequately powered. The O2 doesn't justify the 600Ohm DT880s by any means, the O2 is built for portable headphones and IEMs.

 


Have you tried the the o2 with a stronger power supply, it justfies the 600 by far.... It is not hard to build yourself anc change out some parts. Aslong the amp got enough power the 600 will sound rich and good same as the 250ohm.


Edited by Leonarfd - 4/9/13 at 8:01am
post #3069 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Graphicism View Post

 

Well I don't know what tube amp and tubes you were using but sibilance on these comes out when they're inadequately powered. The O2 doesn't justify the 600Ohm DT880s by any means, the O2 is built for portable headphones and IEMs.

 

 

I would love to see what you think of the DT880 600Ω with the magni.

post #3070 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post


Have you tried the the o2 with a stronger power supply, it justfies the 600 by far.... It is not hard to build yourself anc change out some parts. Aslong the amp got enough power the 600 will sound rich and good same as the 250ohm.

 

Not too sure what you think a stronger power supply will do for the O2?

The output current is actually limited by the output stage (a pair of Op Amps in parallel).

A pair of 9 Volt batteries will provide approx. 6 Volts RMS, enough to drive a pair of 600 Ohm DTs.

post #3071 of 8075

You can change out the op amps before soldering, also you can use a external power supply instead of the batteries. So it is not limited if that is what you desire out from, but at stock it is plenty powerful for me. Still I had no need for it after I did get the STX card in my computer.

 

Edit: Need to say the little project that I did do on the o2 was not perfect as I did like the stock o2 better, changed around alot on the internals and made my own PCB at the work. Casing in pink acrylic for fun.


Edited by Leonarfd - 4/9/13 at 12:32pm
post #3072 of 8075
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

I would love to see what you think of the DT880 600Ω with the magni.

 

How does the Magni differ from the Asgard 2?

 

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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post

You can change out the op amps before soldering, also you can use a external power supply instead of the batteries. So it is not limited if that is what you desire out from, but at stock it is plenty powerful for me. Still I had no need for it after I did get the STX card in my computer.

 

 

So you're saying you prefer the STX over the O2?

post #3073 of 8075
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Originally Posted by Graphicism View Post

 

How does the Magni differ from the Asgard 2?

 

 

Hell if I know.  I've tried the O2 and Magni out at the same time though, and they both sound very similar to me.  It'd just be interesting to see if you also think the Magni sounds strident or not with the DT880 600.

post #3074 of 8075
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Hell if I know.  I've tried the O2 and Magni out at the same time though, and they both sound very similar to me.  It'd just be interesting to see if you also think the Magni sounds strident or not with the DT880 600.

 

From a quick glance the O2 is built around an op-amp and the Magni is discrete, so they shouldn't sound that alike.

 

Direct from schiit: "Discrete design allows us to create a DC-coupled stage with excellent power output and low output impedance, as well as good performance. Sure, we could throw an opamp in there and get better numbers, but we aren’t just about the numbers here. We believe different amps sound, well, different, and we made our design decisions based on both measurements and listening tests."

 

Aside from from what's on paper I would entertain the idea that my DV336 is coloring the sound, as a result the combo works much better for me. Back in the day when people discussed solid-state desktop amps and tubes for the Beyers the general consensus was that they pair much better with tubes. Today this is replaced with numbers and figures alongside clever marketing. As a result people aren't experimenting and discovering things for themselves.

post #3075 of 8075

Except that they do sound alike.  That's not to say that they sound completely identical, but alike enough.

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