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Originally Posted by BobJS View Post

 

They usually simply refuse to read the impedance checkmark on the box.  However, even when they get that right, there is frequently a 32 ohm-er inside a 600 ohm marked box.  I suspect they refuse to address this because more people than not don't realize or care what they're getting.

I hear you. Received a new pair today in the mail from Warehouse Deals, fortunately they got it right this time. Listening through my AE D1 I feel like they are a bit underpowered. I can crank the knob all the way up without them really reaching "loud" listening levels (at least for my tastes). I certainly don't think they sound a lot better than the 32 OHM version when hooked up to the D1. I have a Schiit Valhalla on the way, however, so maybe the true "revelation" will have to wait a few more days. 

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Originally Posted by traehekat View Post

I hear you. Received a new pair today in the mail from Warehouse Deals, fortunately they got it right this time. Listening through my AE D1 I feel like they are a bit underpowered. I can crank the knob all the way up without them really reaching "loud" listening levels (at least for my tastes). I certainly don't think they sound a lot better than the 32 OHM version when hooked up to the D1. I have a Schiit Valhalla on the way, however, so maybe the true "revelation" will have to wait a few more days. 

 

I've heard 32 Ohm and 600 Ohm DT880s.

The difference is very slight.

The 600 Ohm seemed to have more controlled treble.

I will say this:  I can run 600 Ohm 'phones off a cheap OTL tube amp.

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

I've heard 32 Ohm and 600 Ohm DT880s.

The difference is very slight.

The 600 Ohm seemed to have more controlled treble.

I will say this:  I can run 600 Ohm 'phones off a cheap OTL tube amp.

I can actually say with confidence that the 32 OHM sounds better out of the D1 than the 600 OHM. Maybe it is just volume, I don't know, but I feel like I'm not getting a very full sound out of the 600 OHM. Not to mention the 600 OHM 'phones are hardly "like new" - the clamping is significantly less tighter, the yoke is flimsier, and the velour pads are clearly more worn and not as soft (but I guess that's the risk you take). 

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I can actually say with confidence that the 32 OHM sounds better out of the D1 than the 600 OHM. Maybe it is just volume, I don't know, but I feel like I'm not getting a very full sound out of the 600 OHM. Not to mention the 600 OHM 'phones are hardly "like new" - the clamping is significantly less tighter, the yoke is flimsier, and the velour pads are clearly more worn and not as soft (but I guess that's the risk you take). 

 

Just my guess, but when I run through some calculations, the D1 doesn't seem to be able to output enough voltage to drive 600 Ohm Beyers without some clipping.

10 mW into a 600 Ohm load works out to 2.45 Volts.

Apparently D1 maxes out at 2.0 volts.

So I would go with 32 Ohm DTs myself for a D1.

 

Don't get me wrong, I've heard the D1, it's a fantastic sounding piece of gear. But I tried it with 62 Ohm 'phones.

 

I would think that the Valhalla would have no problem driving a 600 Ohm DT.  I have a few amps that work quite well with my 600 Ohm '880s, but they all can output a fair amount of voltage.

I cannot get any decent volume out of the headphone jack with 600 Ohm DTs on my little notebook though......YMMV

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Just my guess, but when I run through some calculations, the D1 doesn't seem to be able to output enough voltage to drive 600 Ohm Beyers without some clipping.

10 mW into a 600 Ohm load works out to 2.45 Volts.

Apparently D1 maxes out at 2.0 volts.

So I would go with 32 Ohm DTs myself for a D1.

 

Don't get me wrong, I've heard the D1, it's a fantastic sounding piece of gear. But I tried it with 62 Ohm 'phones.

 

I would think that the Valhalla would have no problem driving a 600 Ohm DT.  I have a few amps that work quite well with my 600 Ohm '880s, but they all can output a fair amount of voltage.

I cannot get any decent volume out of the headphone jack with 600 Ohm DTs on my little notebook though......YMMV

This is what I sort of expected, thanks for checking into it. I love the D1 with my Grados, P5's, and A5+ speakers, but they just don't seem to be able to drive high impedance headphones. Now, if the 600 OHM with the Valhalla don't sound as good as the 32 OHM with the D1, then I'll be concerned (mostly that I received a defective pair of 600 OHM DT880's). 

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Keep in mind the A5+'s are powered speakers so the D1 is only really acting as the DAC/preamp. On the D1 product page it says it's not meant to be used as an amp. It's marketed as a DAC for a reason. So I'm not criticizing you here, but I seem to see a lot of people using it with headphones and saying it doesn't have enough power.

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Sorry for the double post, but this isn't really related to my last post.

 

Man, when my Lyr has been on for 8 hours, all nice and warmed up... the DT880s shine. The bass response is improved with more (controlled) rumble to it and dare I say, there's even more space between notes. It's like a black canvas that someone painted the notes onto. Every space between notes is discernable. The soundstage is fantastic as well. I can definitely tell a difference between when my Lyr is warmed up and when it was just turned up. The DT880s sound great no matter what, but they sound even better when the Lyr has been on for 5+ hours. I love these headphones. I love my Lyr.

 

I love audio.

post #2873 of 8196

Which would go better with the DT 880s, a McIntosh C712 or a C34V?


Edited by redmagic - 3/3/13 at 10:00pm
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Which would go better with the DT 880s, a McIntosh C712 or a C34V?

Assuming they are 600 Ohm DTs, the amp that outputs the most voltage.
Ideally you would also want to try the headphones with the amp before buying the amp.
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Wow, this thread died... no love for the DT880s!!??!

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Wow, this thread died... no love for the DT880s!!??!

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Thinking about the schiit magni, 130mW @ 600ohm... is that enough to drive the 880/600's?

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Originally Posted by fueltank View Post

Thinking about the schiit magni, 130mW @ 600ohm... is that enough to drive the 880/600's?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by yokken View Post

Wow, this thread died... no love for the DT880s!!??!

Still loving mine after an approaching 15,000 hours of use beyersmile.png All of my friends have broken at least $500 worth of headphones each over the ~4 years I have owned my DT880s and THEY'RE the ones saying I'm crazy for spending so much on headphones... rolleyes.gif 

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Wow, this thread died... no love for the DT880s!!??!

 

I'll give my DT880s a big hug when I get home!

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