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post #2851 of 10424

I see a lot of people agonising about what amp to use with their 600 ohm DT880. I don't see anyone agonising about their 250 ohm DT880. Mine will run on the smell of an oily rag, and I never feel a need to agonise or post over what will or won't power it. The time I save in not doing so allows me to listen to music longer.

post #2852 of 10424

I have a 600 ohm 770 Premium and the 250 ohm 880 Pro and I prefer the (slightly) higher efficiency of the 880s because it leaves more headroom for EQ'ing. Even with my Lake People G109, once I start EQ'ing down some of the frequencies there's very little room left on the volume knob to compensate with when using the 600 ohm 770s. Using the highest gain setting would help obviously but the G109 is already ridiculously loud at the mid gain setting for my <100 ohm cans so I'm not anxious to up the gain. The 250 ohm 880 Pros are just about perfect in that respect. They're the best of both worlds IMO. On the one hand, they get surprisingly loud straight out of my Galaxy S2 and on the other hand, they can handle a ridiculous amount of volume from powerful amps, even more than the 300 ohm HD600s.

post #2853 of 10424
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

I see a lot of people agonising about what amp to use with their 600 ohm DT880. I don't see anyone agonising about their 250 ohm DT880. Mine will run on the smell of an oily rag, and I never feel a need to agonise or post over what will or won't power it. The time I save in not doing so allows me to listen to music longer.

 

Both the 250 and 600 versions benefit from amping, you aren't seeing it because like minded people think they're easier to drive. This is wrong. Yes you will get more volume out of the 250s, and yes people mistake sufficient volume as sufficiently amped, again this is wrong.

 

You talk about this like it's a negative, searching for an amp and finding that combo is half the fun to the majority here. Perhaps if my 880s were easier to drive I would of never found the pairing, which to this day I prefer over the T1.

post #2854 of 10424

I may be just a little Polar Bear, but I do know a few things!

 

The 600 Ohm cans need more Voltage than the 250 Ohm cans to produce the same SPL.

This means that the 250 Ohm cans are more sensitive.

It does not mean that the 250 Ohm 'phones are more efficeint.

 

Efficiency is a number relating to how much power a headphone needs to reach a specific SPL.

 

Sensitivity is a number expressing how much voltage a headphone needs to reach a specific SPL.

 

"Needs more amping" is a meaningless term.

These terms are meaningful:

Needs more power

Needs more current

Needs more voltage.

 

I'm tempted to add "needs more cowbell" but then I'd look like an idiot. Probably too late for that anyway. 

But then, what do I know? I'm just a little Polar Bear. wink_face.gif

post #2855 of 10424

DT 880's arrived today, only problem is... it's the 32 OHM version! Thanks Amazon Warehouse Deals. mad.gif

post #2856 of 10424
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Originally Posted by traehekat View Post

DT 880's arrived today, only problem is... it's the 32 OHM version! Thanks Amazon Warehouse Deals. mad.gif

Yeah, they failed twice for me.  I wound up getting them from one of their third party sellers.

post #2857 of 10424
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post

Yeah, they failed twice for me.  I wound up getting them from one of their third party sellers.

Ha, great that's good to know, I just exchanged them for another one from Warehouse Deals. Free next-day delivery, though. 

post #2858 of 10424
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

I may be just a little Polar Bear, but I do know a few things!

 

The 600 Ohm cans need more Voltage than the 250 Ohm cans to produce the same SPL.

This means that the 250 Ohm cans are more sensitive.

It does not mean that the 250 Ohm 'phones are more efficeint.

 

Efficiency is a number relating to how much power a headphone needs to reach a specific SPL.

 

Sensitivity is a number expressing how much voltage a headphone needs to reach a specific SPL.

 

"Needs more amping" is a meaningless term.

These terms are meaningful:

Needs more power

Needs more current

Needs more voltage.

 

I'm tempted to add "needs more cowbell" but then I'd look like an idiot. Probably too late for that anyway. 

But then, what do I know? I'm just a little Polar Bear. wink_face.gif

I have a sickness, that only cowbell can cure.

post #2859 of 10424
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Originally Posted by Graphicism View Post

 

Both the 250 and 600 versions benefit from amping, you aren't seeing it because like minded people think they're easier to drive. This is wrong. Yes you will get more volume out of the 250s, and yes people mistake sufficient volume as sufficiently amped, again this is wrong.

 

You talk about this like it's a negative, searching for an amp and finding that combo is half the fun to the majority here. Perhaps if my 880s were easier to drive I would of never found the pairing, which to this day I prefer over the T1.

 

Actually if you read my post again you'll see that I'm just stating facts. As for having to find the right amp, it might be fun for some but it means spending more money, which is definitely a negative for many. Personally I use a Marantz receiver to power my pros and never feel I'm missing out on anything. If it's insufficiently amped it'll have to stay that way.

post #2860 of 10424
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Originally Posted by traehekat View Post

Ha, great that's good to know, I just exchanged them for another one from Warehouse Deals. Free next-day delivery, though. 

This day keeps getting worse and worse. Come home and my dog somehow got out of his crate AND pen, found his way to my desk and then nabbed my B&W P5's. The ear pads and cable are toast, and the leather on the back of the ear cup has a few teeth marks in it. Thought I would be more mad at him, but I just kinda sat there shaking my head in disbelief. 

post #2861 of 10424
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Actually if you read my post again you'll see that I'm just stating facts. As for having to find the right amp, it might be fun for some but it means spending more money, which is definitely a negative for many. Personally I use a Marantz receiver to power my pros and never feel I'm missing out on anything. If it's insufficiently amped it'll have to stay that way.

 

I bet many go through life with iBuds and not feel that they're missing anything, you and I know better.

post #2862 of 10424

They're not 66 with tinnitus. wink.gif

post #2863 of 10424

I've been very critical towards this Beyer, but after applying some EQ to remove the obvious treble peak it actually sounds rather decent...

Warmer, more down to Earth tone, much smoother and the fuller mids have more realistic weight and better timbre this way, pretty nice.

It still has the slight treble congestion and unnatural tone imparted, I think, by the obstructive enclosures, which prevents it to reach that last bit of higher transparency and fine detail resolution of trully open designs, but it's much less noticeable now that it's been balanced out.

 

I think the detail extraction of the Beyer is much better like this.

post #2864 of 10424

pp312,

 

I can help with that 'tinnitus' eradication - send me a PM

post #2865 of 10424
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Originally Posted by traehekat View Post

DT 880's arrived today, only problem is... it's the 32 OHM version! Thanks Amazon Warehouse Deals. mad.gif

 

They usually simply refuse to read the impedance checkmark on the box.  However, even when they get that right, there is frequently a 32 ohm-er inside a 600 ohm marked box.  I suspect they refuse to address this because more people than not don't realize or care what they're getting.

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