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post #2716 of 7951

Actually I tested the t1 early this year at a store in acity closeby, I felt it was not worth me to have the t1 aswell as the dt880, decided to rather get something portable instead. But the t1 was tastefully really good sounding to me, but it cost alot specially for me atm. Btw anyone who have paired the dt880 or 990 with a Asus Xonar Essence One? Been eyeing it for awhile as it cost the same for me as to import most 200-300$ amp/dacs to Norway.

post #2717 of 7951
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Leonarfd, your remarks are typical of several posts made on this subject and tie in with comments made by Tyll Hertsen and 'DavidMaher'. It often seems that those who believe the 250 and 600 ohm versions sound the same or almost the same have made comparisons, whereas many (though by no means all) of those who claim a huge difference are often parotting received wisdom. I'm not saying there is no difference, just that it's not so significant as to warrant specifically calling this thread the 600 ohm thread, as if any other impedance should be excluded. This would have to be the silliest kind of electrical snobbery I've ever encountered.

The thing the 600 has in its favour is drivability. The 250 does get louder at the same voltage, but only just a bit. A 600Ω cushion is incredible, bring almost every amp/receiver into perfect driving range (as long as there is enough voltage to push the desired volume). I've found it to be one of the easiest to drive headphones I've ever heard (aside from a bit less volume at the same spot on a given amp's volume pot). Getting it to distort because there isn't enough current at a specific voltage level is almost impossible - at reasonable to loud volumes, that is. The 250Ω version is another gem, but technically, is a bit harder to drive free from artefacts.

post #2718 of 7951
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The thing the 600 has in its favour is drivability. The 250 does get louder at the same voltage, but only just a bit. A 600Ω cushion is incredible, bring almost every amp/receiver into perfect driving range (as long as there is enough voltage to push the desired volume). I've found it to be one of the easiest to drive headphones I've ever heard (aside from a bit less volume at the same spot on a given amp's volume pot). Getting it to distort because there isn't enough current at a specific voltage level is almost impossible - at reasonable to loud volumes, that is. The 250Ω version is another gem, but technically, is a bit harder to drive free from artefacts.

 

shigzeo, I'm sure your post makes a lot of sense but not to me, nor perhaps to some others. Perhaps the more technical among us could interpret it in different words.

post #2719 of 7951
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

shigzeo, I'm sure your post makes a lot of sense but not to me, nor perhaps to some others. Perhaps the more technical among us could interpret it in different words.
Nothing strange there. 600 ohms are current-wise easier to drive. Moreover dt880/600 have a nicer impedance curve.
post #2720 of 7951
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Nothing strange there. 600 ohms are current-wise easier to drive. Moreover dt880/600 have a nicer impedance curve.

Indeed. Having a high base impedance means that even amps with high output impedances will have no trouble keeping the same frequency response. A 32Ω headphone may sound great when driven correctly, but when plugged into an amp with and output of 10Ω, or worse yet, of 120Ω (as many receivers still have), the sound will change definitively from the properly driven sound. It's maths is all. My maths aren't any good, but generally, the higher Ω rating a headphone has, the more voltage it needs to hit a target volume. Current is harder to squeeze into low Ω headphones. The DT880 needs voltage, but is an easy to drive headphone if you can get that as current isn't its problem. A high end headphone amp isn't necessary at all. If you tend to listen to volumes around 80dB with peaks around 105dB, then most amps are sufficient. 

 

If you listen loud (and are willing to accept the consequences (hearing loss, impairment), then current sort of gets into the equation, but as with all things loud, volume, and therefore, voltage, comes first.

post #2721 of 7951
A nice tube amp is perfect for providing voltage. SS amps are usually better at providing current. That is why AKG k701 often sounds bad with a tube amp but DT880 or HD650 sound quite awsome.
post #2722 of 7951
Hi guys,
 
I recently purchased a DT-880 (600 ohm) on sale for $250 thinking I got a great deal. BOY WAS I WRONG. Because now... I have entered... AMP & DAC HELL :)
 
I originally purchased a Fiio E9K to drive them, and from my home PC with a Xonar DX, I was blown away by the soundstage, detail, and clarity. But going to work and listening from the iMac's here, everything went flat. 
 
At the same time, the E9K stopped turning on, so I bought a Schiit Magni / Modi combo and was honestly disappointed. The Modi is still flatter than my Xonar and a lot of the details have become crunchy (especially mid-high's). There's also this feeling of unnecessary bass fill that was never there before. I also think the Magni is not powerful enough to drive these headphones and the sound stage seems a little thinner. 
 
SO, this means that I am now unreasonably picky and need to step up to something that will satisfy my palate. I'm really upset that I can't get a Xonar for this iMac because for some reason the price of a DAC compared to a decent soundcard is ridiculous. If a $100 DAC won't be any better than a Modi then I'm not sure where to go from here. 
 
TLDR: I need a decent amp to start with (~$300), then I need to know if a decent DAC exists in the same price range. In terms of sound signature I am sensitive to shrill highs so I try to avoid that kind of thing. Prease help!
 
---
 
Amps I'm looking at (cuz DT-880 loves tubes, right?):
 
 
 
 
Schiit Asgard / Valhalla
 
DAC's:
 
post #2723 of 7951
Btw the dt880 600ohm sounded really good with my STX so they are relatively easy to drive and get good sound. And to give an example my Bravo Audio Ocean Powers DT990 600ohm to high to be listenable at at 10o clock. Sure you jsut dont like the sound of the dt880? Hve you looked at the Asus Xonar Essence One should power them without a problem and you can use the rca or xlr out to use another amp aswell.
post #2724 of 7951

I'm personally using a custom built amp for my DT 880, so I couldn't gie advice there. What I can say is to skip the expensive DACs and just get this: Product Details

 

http://www.amazon.com/HiFiMeDIY-Digital-Analog-Converter-Optical/dp/B00AOH5JTQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1360272004&sr=1-1&keywords=hifimediy

 

It uses the Sabre DAC chip that's in many $700 plus products, and sounds pretty much the same, according to reviews.

post #2725 of 7951
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

shigzeo, I'm sure your post makes a lot of sense but not to me, nor perhaps to some others. Perhaps the more technical among us could interpret it in different words.

 

Try reading this:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-impedance

 

Basically, high impedance 'phones need a bit more voltage, a bit less current

Low impedance 'phones need a bit less voltage, a bit more current.

 

You often need a desktop amp to drive high impedance 'phones as many battery operated amps don't output enough voltage for the high impedance 'phones.   So an iPod and 600 Ohm DT880s are bad mojo.

600 Ohm DT880s and a FiiO E09K work well together.

 

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Originally Posted by maskedbacon View Post

Hi guys,
 
I recently purchased a DT-880 (600 ohm) on sale for $250 thinking I got a great deal. BOY WAS I WRONG. Because now... I have entered... AMP & DAC HELL :)
 
I originally purchased a Fiio E9K to drive them, and from my home PC with a Xonar DX, I was blown away by the soundstage, detail, and clarity. But going to work and listening from the iMac's here, everything went flat. 
 
At the same time, the E9K stopped turning on, so I bought a Schiit Magni / Modi combo and was honestly disappointed. The Modi is still flatter than my Xonar and a lot of the details have become crunchy (especially mid-high's). There's also this feeling of unnecessary bass fill that was never there before. I also think the Magni is not powerful enough to drive these headphones and the sound stage seems a little thinner. 
 
SO, this means that I am now unreasonably picky and need to step up to something that will satisfy my palate. I'm really upset that I can't get a Xonar for this iMac because for some reason the price of a DAC compared to a decent soundcard is ridiculous. If a $100 DAC won't be any better than a Modi then I'm not sure where to go from here. 
 
TLDR: I need a decent amp to start with (~$300), then I need to know if a decent DAC exists in the same price range. In terms of sound signature I am sensitive to shrill highs so I try to avoid that kind of thing. Prease help!
 
---
 
Amps I'm looking at (cuz DT-880 loves tubes, right?):
 
 
 
 
Schiit Asgard / Valhalla
 
DAC's:
 

 

Ha!

Eat your heart out, Schitt fans!

The FiiO E09 sounds better than the Magni!

I love it!

The Magni fanboys will go nuts!

 

Why not get a new FiiO E09K?

And try this for portability: the FiiO E17 amp/DAC for your Mac.

 

BTW, 600 Ohm DT880s work well with the La Figaro 336C tube amp.

You should stick to OTL tube amps for your 600 Ohm Beyers, because they cost less than transformer coupled tube amps! wink_face.gif

post #2726 of 7951
I hope this isn't sacrilege to mention that recently I've been enjoying the HD700 which I have on loan. It is very much a less tizzy version if the DT880 and equally as comfortable.

Still the DT880 is my reference.
post #2727 of 7951
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Ha!

Eat your heart out, Schitt fans!

The FiiO E09 sounds better than the Magni!

I love it!

The Magni fanboys will go nuts!

 

Oh boy. What have I done blink.gif. I wish I had the two side by side to test.

 

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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

 

Why not get a new FiiO E09K?

And try this for portability: the FiiO E17 amp/DAC for your Mac.

 

BTW, 600 Ohm DT880s work well with the La Figaro 336C tube amp.

You should stick to OTL tube amps for your 600 Ohm Beyers, because they cost less than transformer coupled tube amps! wink_face.gif

 

I have this DAC paranoia now after the Modi, since everyone seems to rave about it as the best in class amidst my personal disappointment. Are there any Xonar users out there that can compare their experiences between their sound cards and the FiiO DAC's? That's the only real point of reference I have right now. 

 

I'm not super thrilled about the FiiO especially since it died on me on day two. It seems like people regard it as an "OK entry level thing", but since I'm sending it back anyway I'd be willing to spend a little more on something better.

 

Is the only place to get that Figaro eBay? And is that thing as huge as it looks? And and is it pretty well regarded around here? I don't see much about it.

 

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Originally Posted by Leonarfd View Post

Btw the dt880 600ohm sounded really good with my STX so they are relatively easy to drive and get good sound. And to give an example my Bravo Audio Ocean Powers DT990 600ohm to high to be listenable at at 10o clock. Sure you jsut dont like the sound of the dt880? Hve you looked at the Asus Xonar Essence One should power them without a problem and you can use the rca or xlr out to use another amp aswell.

 

I'm glad to know that I'm not crazy in thinking the Xonar sounds really good. It's on a completely different level than the iMac DAC or even the Schiit Modi. I'd love to just run off of that sound card if I could but at work I either need to hijack a PC as my giant iPod or get a DAC.


Edited by maskedbacon - 2/7/13 at 3:00pm
post #2728 of 7951

Got the 600 ohm!

post #2729 of 7951
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Got the 600 ohm!

 

Great! If you can, please lug that along with you to the meet next week. I'd love to see how Fiio's E12 plays with the 600 Ohm bad boy... (and yeah, this is one of those times when I really miss my DT880 600 that I sold)

post #2730 of 7951
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Got the 600 ohm!

 

Great! If you can, please lug that along with you to the meet next week. I'd love to see how Fiio's E12 plays with the 600 Ohm bad boy... (and yeah, this is one of those times when I really miss my DT880 600 that I sold)

I can't. Sorry, I'm sending it to MCA for wood cups.

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