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I'm loving my new DT880/600's which I picked up a couple of weeks ago, but am having a bit of a self induced crises over what amp to use with them.

 

I'm currently running them of an old Creek OBH-11 (which I know gets mixed reviews on here) whilst I box up my MSSH tube amp. I've ran the MSSH in a temporary case (shoe box) for around 15 minutes and it sounded great with the DT880's but I keep getting this recurring dream that I should try running them directly from the speaker outs from my power amp....just to see like....as I keep seeing comments that they love the headroom that something like this can give.

 

I know that the theory is that it shouldn't be a problem, but before I try it and blow something up has anybody here tried it ? I'm thinking of runnng them of a Naim 140 power amp as i think the speed of an amp like this would sound great.

 

Anybody any thoughts ?

 

Finally, is there anything I should do to the MSSH to optimise it for high impedence phones ?

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Well, my Amperex PQs started hissing a few days ago. I emailed the seller on eBay, hopefully he'll send me new ones. I put my GEs back in and it was almost instantly apparent how much more solid-state the Lyr sounds with them. The PQs definitely have a nice warm sound to them, with better vocals. But the GEs are quicker sounding, I think. I'll spend some more time with them and see if I can get an even better feel for the difference. But the main thing I've noticed is that the GEs sound colder. They only have about 20 minutes of time on them tonight, and I really think they sounded better when they had time to warm up. We shall see.

 

Oh, he just replied! He told me to try one of the PQs with one of the GEs to find out which one is causing the hissing. Good idea! So far no problem with one of these... I'll listen to a song or two and see if it comes back. I only heard it after they'd been warmed up for 10-15 minutes.

post #2688 of 10424
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am having a bit of a self induced crises

 

They're the worst kind. tongue.gif

post #2689 of 10424

Getting a 600 ohm, finally!

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Getting a 600 ohm, finally!

 

Congrats! You won't regret it. smily_headphones1.gif

 

I've been listening to my Lyr with one of each tube and it's an... interesting sound. It's good, but a strange combination of liquid sounding tubes and quicker tubes. I think I found the one that doesn't hiss. I'll test the other tube tomorrow night.

post #2691 of 10424
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post

Getting a 600 ohm, finally!

 

Congrats! You won't regret it. smily_headphones1.gif

 

I've been listening to my Lyr with one of each tube and it's an... interesting sound. It's good, but a strange combination of liquid sounding tubes and quicker tubes. I think I found the one that doesn't hiss. I'll test the other tube tomorrow night.

I already have a 250. Just wanted the 600 so I would clear my conscious.

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I already have a 250. Just wanted the 600 so I would clear my conscious.

 

Why? What have you done?

post #2693 of 10424

 I bet he is afraid he did buy the wrong one as so many claim the 600 to be superior( some of us has tested it is so to say impossible to hear differences when blindtested).


Edited by Leonarfd - 2/5/13 at 4:14am
post #2694 of 10424

Nothing like testing it with your own ears.

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I already have a 250. Just wanted the 600 so I would clear my conscious.

 

Why? What have you done?

I'm only losing $35.

post #2696 of 10424
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 I bet he is afraid he did buy the wrong one as so many claim the 600 to be superior( some of us has tested it is so to say impossible to hear differences when blindtested).


This is not like aftermarket cables voodoo, there is measurable difference that shows on graphs, how big does it sound to your ears is totally different issue, I've personally found it pretty significant.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/429371/the-beyerdynamic-dt880-600-ohm-appreciation-discussion-thread/2475#post_9084638

 


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 2/5/13 at 1:37pm
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This is not like aftermarket cables voodoo, there is measurable difference that shows on graphs, how big does it sound to your ears is totally different issue, I've personally found it pretty significant.

 

Of course, it should be kept in mind that even different pairs of the same impedance will measure differently, so one graph does not prove that it is not just random variation. However, on the small number of 250 vs. 600 Ω graphs (~3-4) I have seen from various sources, there is a somewhat consistent difference that the 600 Ω drivers tend to have a slightly lowered response in the ~3-6 kHz range compared to the 250 Ω ones, and the lower frequency treble peak is reduced as well (so it looks more like there is one narrower peak), these would result in a less bright sound overall. I am not sure if I would prefer the 600 Ω, though. Also, the low impedance drivers (80 Ω and below) generally have slightly less extended treble in the measurements.

Then again, I do not know how much of the differences resulted from random sample variation.


Edited by stv014 - 2/5/13 at 3:22pm
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Of course, it should be kept in mind that even different pairs of the same impedance will measure differently, so one graph does not prove that it is not just random variation. However, on the small number of 250 vs. 600 Ω graphs (~3-4) I have seen from various sources, there is a somewhat consistent difference that the 600 Ω drivers tend to have a slightly lowered response in the ~3-6 kHz range compared to the 250 Ω ones, and the lower frequency treble peak is reduced as well (so it looks more like there is one narrower peak), these would result in a less bright sound overall. I am not sure if I would prefer the 600 Ω, though. Also, the low impedance drivers (80 Ω and below) generally have slightly less extended treble in the measurements.

Then again, I do not know how much of the differences resulted from random sample variation.

 

Indeed. There's a viable argument that the 250 ohm FR is the better one, and certainly easier to flatten. It's no trouble to get rid of that 8khz peak, but I'm not sure about the 4khz dip on the 600 ohm. Of the two, just on visuals, I'd take the 250 ohm (in fact, I did).

post #2699 of 10424
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Indeed. There's a viable argument that the 250 ohm FR is the better one, and certainly easier to flatten. It's no trouble to get rid of that 8khz peak, but I'm not sure about the 4khz dip on the 600 ohm. Of the two, just on visuals, I'd take the 250 ohm (in fact, I did).


That dip at around 5kHz is actually closer to "ideal" response

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-measurements-explained-square-wave-response-page-2

You need to compensate for high frequencies as drivers are closer to ears than speakers.

http://www.head-fi.org/a/frequency-response-of-headphones


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 2/5/13 at 3:52pm
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Chiming in tonight to say, these cans really cannot do anything badly! Some genres are better than others, but even for rap and hip-hop I find them to be more than adequate. Their bass extension and instrument separation combined with their gorgeous vocals make it almost hypnotic. But dance music is just off the charts.

 

Don't even get me me started on Armin van Buuren...

 


Edited by yokken - 2/5/13 at 7:02pm
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