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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

Im actually considering a tube amp now, but I wanted to note that I don't plan on tube rolling. Is it absolutely necessary or will the stock tubes be fine?

I have a La Figaro, the stock tubes are OK, but if you listen to those genres, then try putting in a Sylvania 6SN7 GTB and a Svetlana 6H13C and be done with it.

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Hey guys

 

I had some questions concerning the beyer dt880 600 ohm. I listen mostly to rock and metal so I was considering grado, but I wanted something with more bass, a bigger soundstage, and something which was good for other genres as well. It looks like a great headphone but I still have some issues with.

 

1) I don't want a tube amp under any circumstance. I want a solid state amp. Because of that, I thought an asgard would be a choice because it's a warm amp, so it's as close as you can get to a tube amp in a ss amp (in the price range of course). Do you think the dt880 would be enjoyable with the asgard, or do you think it's not worth getting the dt880 of I'm not buying a tube amp? Will it be too harsh or cold? Should I buy the dt880 only if I get a tube amp?

 

2) Something which will be an issue for me is the mids. People say that the mids in these phones are recessed, that's something I would like to avoid. However, do you thing that it would be a good idea to EQ the mids in these headphones? Would it screw up the sound signature and make it worse or boring, or is it a solution to my problem. If EQing the mids is not a good idea, do you think the mids in these phones will be too recessed for my taste? (for an idea of what I find recessed, the mids in the ath-m50 were too recessed for me, but it was pretty much the borderline. Anything with mids at least a bit more forward than the m50 is good enough for me. In that case I could just EQ it slighly without screwing up the sound.) How are the mids in the dt880 compared top the ath-m50?

I did not feel the Asgard was that great of an amp when I heard it with several cans years ago, too bight and cold for me.  That said I just tried a vintage ss receiver with my 880s.  Good with mids much more forward yet lacking in other areas.   Mids are just slightly recessed and way less so than Senn 650s for example or at least it seems that way for me.  Could you EQ the mids, yes but only with a great eq program if using computer and a great piece of player software or if using a cd player then a very good analog EQ.  Have not heard the ath -50 recently enough to help out with an opinion there.
 

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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

Im actually considering a tube amp now, but I wanted to note that I don't plan on tube rolling. Is it absolutely necessary or will the stock tubes be fine?

A good tube amp (La Figaro 336c for example) will get you very decent sound but stock tubes are not fine.  Good tubes will cost about $45 for both.  And you can get tubes that are a bit more mid centric.  With solid state you are stuck with whatever the sound sig is.  Some folks rec the DIY amps like CK2III which can be a bit warm with the right transistors.  

post #2103 of 8385

So it's not 600 ohm but MAN it's nice! Dt 880 250 sounds WONDERFUL... time to but it on the Hifiman and hope it doesn't suck >.>

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@daniel521, I used my 880s 600ohm through the Schiit Valhalla with the stock tubes and I liked the combination very much. An affordable SS option that I found paired really quite well with the 880s was the Graham Slee Novo, and this was with the stock AC power adapter. I was quite surprised at how dynamic the combination was, very engaging and I had lots of fun with the Novo. The Novo was a friends and I had it here for about 3 weeks so I got some good time with it. Hands down my favorite amp with the 880s is the Auditor, but it is more expensive than the other suggestions I have made. Good luck with your search and eventual purchase!

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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post

@daniel521, I used my 880s 600ohm through the Schiit Valhalla with the stock tubes and I liked the combination very much. An affordable SS option that I found paired really quite well with the 880s was the Graham Slee Novo, and this was with the stock AC power adapter. I was quite surprised at how dynamic the combination was, very engaging and I had lots of fun with the Novo. The Novo was a friends and I had it here for about 3 weeks so I got some good time with it. Hands down my favorite amp with the 880s is the Auditor, but it is more expensive than the other suggestions I have made. Good luck with your search and eventual purchase!

thanks for the help :)

post #2106 of 8385
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

thanks for the help :)

I've been told the Schiit Asgard livens the Dt 880s up as well

post #2107 of 8385
For a budget/entry choice - and includes good dac and amp - the NFB-12 is definitely a good SS choice with the 600 ohm Beyers. Best part is that you can then use the NFB-12's dac, and add a tube amp down the line if you want to.
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On the same page we got people saying the Asgard is good others saying it isn't good enough.  Man I really hate over researching things I never know what to get.  I'm also looking at various audio-gd models in the $200-300 range, has anyone tried them.  Sorry I cant read all 140+ pages.  

The Asgard/ Valhalla I was considering along with the NFB12.1, NFB15, NFB5.32 (used), or maybe even an old Sparrow. 
The other problem I'm having is some people saying the amps won't be powerful enough and then others saying it will be just fine.  So which is it? 
I have the 250ohm pro by the way.

And should probably mention I'd prefer to connect to my PC with optical, so there are not many choices out there.  It would save me $3-400 instead of getting a bifrost, or a few hundred getting another DAC or sound card.  That's what I really love about all the audio-gd amp/dacs.  I've just read some bad things about how they don't have "enough" power for these phones.  Can anyone chime in that has used them?


Edited by 00birdy - 10/15/12 at 9:11pm
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Originally Posted by 00birdy View Post

On the same page we got people saying the Asgard is good others saying it isn't good enough.  Man I really hate over researching things I never know what to get.  I'm also looking at various audio-gd models in the $200-300 range, has anyone tried them.  Sorry I cant read all 140+ pages.  

The Asgard/ Valhalla I was considering along with the NFB12.1, NFB15, NFB5.32 (used), or maybe even an old Sparrow. 
The other problem I'm having is some people saying the amps won't be powerful enough and then others saying it will be just fine.  So which is it? 
I have the 250ohm pro by the way.

Really the Asgard NOT GOOD, my cMoy 2x9V is GOOD enough I hp[e the asgard for that price has more power than my cMoy :/

post #2110 of 8385
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Originally Posted by 00birdy View Post

On the same page we got people saying the Asgard is good others saying it isn't good enough.  Man I really hate over researching things I never know what to get.  I'm also looking at various audio-gd models in the $200-300 range, has anyone tried them.  Sorry I cant read all 140+ pages.  

The Asgard/ Valhalla I was considering along with the NFB12.1, NFB15, NFB5.32 (used), or maybe even an old Sparrow. 
The other problem I'm having is some people saying the amps won't be powerful enough and then others saying it will be just fine.  So which is it? 
I have the 250ohm pro by the way.

And should probably mention I'd prefer to connect to my PC with optical, so there are not many choices out there.  It would save me $3-400 instead of getting a bifrost, or a few hundred getting another DAC or sound card.  That's what I really love about all the audio-gd amp/dacs.  I've just read some bad things about how they don't have "enough" power for these phones.  Can anyone chime in that has used them?

 

Audio-gd NFB12.1.  I'm using it - via optical - with my DT880 600ohm.  It's good, and has plenty of power.

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00birdy , if you want not to pay much and have an amp able to drive 95% of juice out of 600ohm DT880's, my recommendation is, go for tubes - Darkvoice/La Figaro 336c would be an excellent budget solution. As an owner of both AudioGD NFB11 and DT880's 600ohm, I would not suggest you go for AudioGD stuff. It is pretty loud, but SQ wise, it doesn't drive DT880's to nearly 75% of their magical performance. You'll need an expensive SS amp like SPL Auditor to make those 100% , or you can go for a Chinese tube amp, or Schiit Valhalla, the results would be very good also.

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Originally Posted by AlexRoma View Post

00birdy , if you want not to pay much and have an amp able to drive 95% of juice out of 600ohm DT880's, my recommendation is, go for tubes - Darkvoice/La Figaro 336c would be an excellent budget solution. As an owner of both AudioGD NFB11 and DT880's 600ohm, I would not suggest you go for AudioGD stuff. It is pretty loud, but SQ wise, it doesn't drive DT880's to nearly 75% of their magical performance. You'll need an expensive SS amp like SPL Auditor to make those 100% , or you can go for a Chinese tube amp, or Schiit Valhalla, the results would be very good also.

 

Sorry - but beg to differ.  I agree on tubes with the DT880 - with the right tubes, they definitely match well for me (LD MK IV).

 

But saying the Audio-gd won't fully power the Beyers is IMO incorrect.  And he's powering 250ohm DT880s.  It's not like he's trying to power an HE6 or something .......

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I'm laughing now.  i've flip flopped back and forth between options for about 2-3 weeks now.  When you say go for a chinese tube amp, it brings me back to my original choice of Indeed G3 for $120 or Aune T1 for $200, and at some point i figured these weren't good enough either.  The problem is almost all of these choices won't have optical inputs or DACs so I have to invest another $100+ on sound cards and DACs. 
I wanted to like the Valhalla and then realized its still lacking DAC and optical in.  Same goes for alot of other nice choices.  Is Audio-gd the only one really offering amps with the Dac and optical/coax in at a reasonable price? 

This has to be one of the worst reviews I've seen in a long while, I'm back to square one again rolleyes.gif
http://www.headfonia.com/no-music-audio-gd-nfb-12/

Perhaps the Audinst HUD-mx1?  It even has optical in.  Sounds too good to be true at $180, I haven't heard about it in 3 weeks of researching until now.


Edited by 00birdy - 10/16/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by 00birdy View Post

Perhaps the Audinst HUD-mx1?  It even has optical in.  Sounds too good to be true at $180, I haven't heard about it in 3 weeks of researching until now.

that sounds a little scary but it could be true! 

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Actually that may be a digital out, not input.  Which to me if it were a DAC/AMP, makes zero sense.  Why convert to analog then use a optical output.
Here's the website.
http://audinst.com/en/bbs/board.php?bo_table=HUDmx1&wr_id=4

seems like it was more designed as a DAC and the AMP feature came afterwards.


Edited by 00birdy - 10/16/12 at 4:04pm
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