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post #1951 of 10426
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Originally Posted by schuh View Post

I have a WA6 with some excellent tubes in it and I don't find it to be an amp with a lot of gain. I am interested in the DT880s, especially the 600 ohm version, but I am afraid the amp won't drive them well. Do you get enough volume and quality bass with the Woo/880 pairing?


i had Woo6 intended for the DT880 600 ohm. Smooth...In fact too tamed. Zombie_X is right. Either the Woo3 or the bottlehead crack would drive like an american muscle car. I am using the crack and it provides alot of power with reserve to push it.
post #1952 of 10426
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Originally Posted by tigersinacage View Post

Realise this is the 600ohm thread, but thought someone might have a solution to this.. Just got the Beyer DT880's (250ohm) and a Fiio E17 amp.

 

To get to a pretty loud and full (but not ear blasting) level, the Fiio has to be turned up to around 55 on 12db, but around there it starts to peak and distort slightly. When it is set to 6db, it has to be on max, which is 60. Which is a pretty nice level, quite loud. Just seems very strange that it has to be on max volume to achieve that level.

 

Does that sound right to you, or is the E17 just not powerful enough to drive the 250ohm DT880's? I'm trying to work out if there is a defect with something, or that's just how loud they go.

 

This is running through USB-DAC to my Macbook (96khz - 24bit) with volume max on the laptop. Any help would be appreciated!

 

Voltage,

Voltage,

Voltage!

 

A lot of these little portable and little desktop amps cannot output enough voltage for some of these high impedance 'phones.

You can easily drive 600 ohm and 250 ohm DT880s from a Matrix M Stage or an equivalent larger desktop amp.   It really comes down to how much voltage the power supply outputs.

 

But I gotta go with the other guys, they just sound better thru a good OTL tube amp.   I think solid state makes the midrange a bit too dry, tubes do a nice job of warming up the midrange and add a nice touch of euphonics to the overall sound.

post #1953 of 10426
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Originally Posted by tigersinacage View Post

That looks pretty good actually. I know it's a completely different ball park, but I went from a solid state guitar amp, to an all tube Fender and the difference was outstanding. Rich, warm and full of tone. Is that what I should expect with a headphone tube amplifier? Or would I have to spend upwards of $500 to achieve that kind of difference in quality?

 

How about something like this: 

 

EF-2A.jpg?t=1315907514

 

It only drives to 300ohm, would that be enough power for the 250ohm, or is more always better?

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/521305660-HiFiMAN-EF2-USB-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-tube-Amplifier-wholesale-HIFI-Club-wholesalers.html

 

Sounds like it would be the business.  Have you looked at the La Figaro 336C?  It has it's fans in the DT880 set.

 

I agree about the tube vs. solid state thing.

post #1954 of 10426

My Schiit Valhalla did a wonderful job with the 600 ohm 880s. The Valhalla is known for having just a hint of tube warmth, enough to add a little warmth into the mids. I thought the Valhalla was an excellent entry level OTL amp and like the Bottlehead, should be on your short list. If you look in the for sale forums here there is usually Valhalla around. I will certainly be getting another Schiit amp again, likely in a year from now I'll add one, back to tubes so I will have both SS and tubes available. I like SS with my 650s and I agree that the tube approach can also make the 880s feel very vibrant. Not that a good SS amp can't, but a little tube love in the mids I tend to like.

post #1955 of 10426

Will take a look into those Sonic Defender, thanks!

 

I've only been burning in the Beyers for around 24 hours, but I've already noticed a little bit of a difference. The highs have ever so slightly calmed down and the bass is a little more prominent, sounds smoother, with a little more clarity. I've actually had to turn down the bass E.Q settings down one level.

 

Looking forward to hearing how these sound with 200+ hours.

post #1956 of 10426
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Originally Posted by tigersinacage View Post

That looks pretty good actually. I know it's a completely different ball park, but I went from a solid state guitar amp, to an all tube Fender and the difference was outstanding. Rich, warm and full of tone. Is that what I should expect with a headphone tube amplifier? Or would I have to spend upwards of $500 to achieve that kind of difference in quality?

 

How about something like this: 

 

EF-2A.jpg?t=1315907514

 

It only drives to 300ohm, would that be enough power for the 250ohm, or is more always better?

 

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/521305660-HiFiMAN-EF2-USB-Tube-Headphone-Amplifier-tube-Amplifier-wholesale-HIFI-Club-wholesalers.html

 

The EF2A is pretty high gain. It is fine with my 600 ohm 880s, should be more than fine with the 250. With that said, the EF2A is a hybrid, it doesn't have the nice tubey mids that an OTL will throw at them... but if you are already happy with how they sound, you just want more power - this would be a good  budget option.


Edited by liamstrain - 7/14/12 at 10:19am
post #1957 of 10426

At $349 and made in the US it is hard to beat the Valhalla. The designers at Schiit are top-tier and their products are quite well respected as I suspect you have heard. There are a few decisions I think the designers at Schiit have implemented that actually help bring more bang for the buck than you might normally expect. For one, by only offering one finish, they don't need to have profitability erroded away by producing units in two colours which is an additional cost. As well, the amps all seem to have a very similar form factor to them, again likley reducing overhead. This is starting to change, but at first they had no distributors which meant that the full profit went back to them and in turn likley went into R&D and quality parts sourcing. Anyway, my year with the Valhalla was a great experience and left me quite convinced that Schiit designs and builds excellent products at a really good price.

 

I sold my Valhalla simply because I wanted to try another sound signature and sadly I had to leverage the funds tied up in my Valhalla. There are certainly many great choices available to you, and in the end you have to pick something. I'm sure you'll be very happy with whatever it is you find. This is a great community to learn from and it will certainly help you make an educated decision. I would strongly encourage you to give the Valhalla some serious consideration. The resale value is also quite high so if and when you decide to try something else, you should be able to recoup much of your initial investment back. Cheers.


Edited by Sonic Defender - 7/14/12 at 10:20am
post #1958 of 10426

Thanks for the advice guys. I'd actually quite like a tube amp that had a bit of a low end boost, if that's possible to achieve? I think I'd really miss the bass option on the E17.

post #1959 of 10426
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Originally Posted by tigersinacage View Post

Thanks for the advice guys. I'd actually quite like a tube amp that had a bit of a low end boost, if that's possible to achieve? I think I'd really miss the bass option on the E17.

EQ boost through software instead of hardware?

post #1960 of 10426

Never having heard the E17 I can't be sure how it compares, but the Valhalla was quite good in the low frequencies.

post #1961 of 10426
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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

I like my DT880, it is a very different approach from my more upfront sounding headphones. It's supreme comfort and laid back sound (to me) make for relaxing sessions and are also good for gaming and movies. Although, I do find the midrange a bit lean and the treble can be a bit "tizzy" sounding compared to some of my other stuff.

exactly the result I got with many solid state and chip amps.  The right tubes and tube amp change things a lot.

post #1962 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

 

Amp: Beyer A1.

And I don't dislike the DT-880 (I highlighted the flaws) but I say it lacks punch and energy. It's great for strings but as an allrounder it just feels too soft.

 

Whatever, no need to discuss with somebody who's overprotective (melomaniac). Have a nice day.

that mirrors what I heard with the Beyer amp and a bit too bright if you want another nit.

post #1963 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Colgin View Post

Sorry if this has already been covered in the prior 100+ pages, but can the 600 ohm version be driven satisfactorily by a typical AVR (I have a Marantz slimline receiver) or if I am going to use that would I be better off buying the 250 ohm version.

I would say no.  Most AVRs have a cheap headphone out circuit and sound godawful in my experience.  Best to get the slightly less demanding 250 ohm load.  And maybe get a good cmoy and run it form the AVRs line out.  Betcha it sounds a lot better.

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Originally Posted by wullymc View Post

hey everyone,

 

I have a Crack and have noticed that the 600ohm sound good with the dedicated headphone amp but if I plug it in my Marantz SR5004 stereo the headphones sound distorted.  Is this norrmal?

 

Thanks

Should not be distroted per se.  Unless you are cranking it and then the whole cheap hp out circuit described above may be coming into play, could be clipping.  My old Macbook sounded terrible with my dt880s.

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Originally Posted by tigersinacage View Post

Realise this is the 600ohm thread, but thought someone might have a solution to this.. Just got the Beyer DT880's (250ohm) and a Fiio E17 amp.

 

To get to a pretty loud and full (but not ear blasting) level, the Fiio has to be turned up to around 55 on 12db, but around there it starts to peak and distort slightly. When it is set to 6db, it has to be on max, which is 60. Which is a pretty nice level, quite loud. Just seems very strange that it has to be on max volume to achieve that level.

 

Does that sound right to you, or is the E17 just not powerful enough to drive the 250ohm DT880's? I'm trying to work out if there is a defect with something, or that's just how loud they go.

 

This is running through USB-DAC to my Macbook (96khz - 24bit) with volume max on the laptop. Any help would be appreciated!

In my experience every fiio I have owned or heard did not do as well as I thought it might with any of my headphones (yes, I know they are inexpensive, but I think you can do much better for a bit more).  I am guessing the e17 is not that great with the 880s.  When you say 96k/ 24 bit via usb from your macbook, are you upsampling?  And are you using itunes to do it?  itunes upsampling while not bad, is not the greatest.  That may be actually hurting sound a bit unless it sounds better that way, I would run it at its native bit perfect rate.

post #1964 of 10426
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Yo,

 

The MKIII is a great amp for the money and it's powerful. I believe it's a better option to spend some extra money and get with the Crack or WA3. Both are much better than the Little-Dot amps.

 

Or the La Figaro!

post #1965 of 10426

So I bought a pair from another Head-Fier. It will be interesting to hear them given the hype for them back in the day.

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