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You will be shocked how much better the JH16's will be compared to your Shures, pretty much night and day difference, then you will ask yourself, why did I wait this long to go this route, and then, why did I just waste all this money on these Shures:), and it's not a 10% increase in quality, that is coming from people who wish they could buy a pair of JH16's, but can't, don't pay mind, trust me, your ears will let you know RIGHT AWAY it was a wise choice, your search for the perfect IEM has ENDED, so in the long run, you are saving money, by not wanting to try anything else, thinking that you are missing something, your search is OVER.


Edited by cybertec69 - 7/5/11 at 2:58pm
post #287 of 467

Another thing, make sure you feed them with a nice Amp, I use them with my Ipod Touch with a Fiio line out cable and iBasso D6, and D10 when I am on the go, and when home and not moving around, they are plugged into my Burson Audio HA-160, They also sound great just with the Ipod and no separate AMP, but an Amp makes them shine, losseless files are also a must, but slacker or Pandora will also sound fine " I hate compressed music".


Edited by cybertec69 - 7/5/11 at 3:06pm
post #288 of 467
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Originally Posted by macshooter View Post

Well I certainly hope that is not the case.  I kinda thought that about hi end audio people at first. It seemed like it all might be a case of the kings clothes,  just a club for people that had more money than sense and were looking for a ways to show it off. 

 

Then I discovered that there was really something to it with some good quality phones like the PX100 and later with the SE530.  I really enjoyed the dramatic increase in enjoyment I got from the extra detail and sound quality that had not been there before.  

 

Now I'm going from SE530 to JH16.  I am expecting about a x2 increase in overall sq, and will be quite disappointed if that is not the case.  If it's not a "wow" experience coming from the SE530, then I will feel like I got hosed.  However that won't prevent me from giving an honest opinion of them here (though I don't have any serious audiophile credentials).  I'm just an average guy looking for the best sound available and hoping I've found it. 

 

If ends up being a case of the kings clothes, or a ton of money for a 10% increase in sq over the SE530 I will not hesitate to say so. I'm not interested in being a fanboy, or trying to cover up spending a fortune on something that's not worth it by gushing about it.  I guess I will know the truth of this soon enough, and will post my findings here.  (after I have had some time to really listen to them.)

2x... well, lets just say its hard to quantify improvments in sound with X's and numbers
 

 

post #289 of 467

Sometime down the road I want to get the JH amp, but that will have to wait for a while.  Till then I have ordered a fiio e11 and a LOD for my iphone which has EQU installed. (great eq program!)  I know that amp isn't anywhere near the level of the JH16s, but I don't want to spend too much on an amp yet, knowing I am probably going to go for the good stuff later on.  I'm sure it will be a little better than my cmoy. 

post #290 of 467
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Well I certainly hope that is not the case.  I kinda thought that about hi end audio people at first. It seemed like it all might be a case of the kings clothes,  just a club for people that had more money than sense and were looking for a ways to show it off. 

 

Then I discovered that there was really something to it with some good quality phones like the PX100 and later with the SE530.  I really enjoyed the dramatic increase in enjoyment I got from the extra detail and sound quality that had not been there before.  

 

Now I'm going from SE530 to JH16.  I am expecting about a x2 increase in overall sq, and will be quite disappointed if that is not the case.  If it's not a "wow" experience coming from the SE530, then I will feel like I got hosed.  However that won't prevent me from giving an honest opinion of them here (though I don't have any serious audiophile credentials).  I'm just an average guy looking for the best sound available and hoping I've found it. 

 

If ends up being a case of the kings clothes, or a ton of money for a 10% increase in sq over the SE530 I will not hesitate to say so. I'm not interested in being a fanboy, or trying to cover up spending a fortune on something that's not worth it by gushing about it.  I guess I will know the truth of this soon enough, and will post my findings here.  (after I have had some time to really listen to them.)


Seems like only time and personal experience will be able to tell on this one. I look forward to your impressions of the JH16's and if you think the cost is justified. Also, bear in mind that you are not only moving to a different level of sound clarity and whatnot, but also a different sound signature. This was something that took me a while to sort of "see through" when comparing the JH5's to my CK10's. It took some time for me to really be able to compare and determine if one was actually "better" or superior to the other aside from the very different ways they present the same songs. 

 

Sometimes it is hard to distinguish a new, and possibly preferred, sound signature from actual differences in quality that can be quantified in some meaningful way.

 

post #291 of 467

In regards to sound signature, the thing is the music will sound the way it was MEANT to sound, no colored or over-hyped with base treble mid and the sort, all you will hear is just pure clean sonic bliss. All instruments will sound like they are finally in their right place, with detail and clarity you can not experience with the most expensive universal IEM's. Hearing is believing.

post #292 of 467
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Originally Posted by macshooter View Post

 

Now I'm going from SE530 to JH16.  I am expecting about a x2 increase in overall sq, and will be quite disappointed if that is not the case.  If it's not a "wow" experience coming from the SE530, then I will feel like I got hosed.  However that won't prevent me from giving an honest opinion of them here (though I don't have any serious audiophile credentials).  I'm just an average guy looking for the best sound available and hoping I've found it. 

 

If ends up being a case of the kings clothes, or a ton of money for a 10% increase in sq over the SE530 I will not hesitate to say so. I'm not interested in being a fanboy, or trying to cover up spending a fortune on something that's not worth it by gushing about it.  I guess I will know the truth of this soon enough, and will post my findings here.  (after I have had some time to really listen to them.)

 

I'm one of those who didn't particularly enjoy the SE530 (sold mine after 4 weeks) and have found several other top-tier universals (significantly) better than the Shures, but I do know there are still people who like them a lot. I'm sure your JH16 will sound better than your SE530s, but doubly better? I VERY much doubt it and some respectable & experienced head-fiers will tell you the same. I doubt even 30-50% better, though I do know that what some may regard as a 10% improvement others may regard as 20% or more. Best of luck, though.


 

 
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You will be shocked how much better the JH16's will be compared to your Shures, pretty much night and day difference, then you will ask yourself, why did I wait this long to go this route, and then, why did I just waste all this money on these Shures:), and it's not a 10% increase in quality, that is coming from people who wish they could buy a pair of JH16's, but can't, don't pay mind, trust me, your ears will let you know RIGHT AWAY it was a wise choice, your search for the perfect IEM has ENDED, so in the long run, you are saving money, by not wanting to try anything else, thinking that you are missing something, your search is OVER.


 

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Another thing, make sure you feed them with a nice Amp, I use them with my Ipod Touch with a Fiio line out cable and iBasso D6, and D10 when I am on the go, and when home and not moving around, they are plugged into my Burson Audio HA-160, They also sound great just with the Ipod and no separate AMP, but an Amp makes them shine, losseless files are also a must, but slacker or Pandora will also sound fine " I hate compressed music".

 

 

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Originally Posted by cybertec69 View Post

In regards to sound signature, the thing is the music will sound the way it was MEANT to sound, no colored or over-hyped with base treble mid and the sort, all you will hear is just pure clean sonic bliss. All instruments will sound like they are finally in their right place, with detail and clarity you can not experience with the most expensive universal IEM's. Hearing is believing.

 


Don't you think the poster above, macshooter, has already come across numerous posts along the lines of your posts in this thread? Are you providing any new valuable information? He's been a member for over a year and a half, though he hasn't posted much - he's already ordered the JH16s, which presumably means he's read plenty of posts praising the JH16s.
 
Do we need all JH16 enthusiasts (or downright fanboys) to come and remind macshooter and others that the JH16 destroys ALL universals? Very likely macshooter  was first aware of the JH16 thread than this one.
 
FYI, not everyone who doesn't have the JH16 is because they cannot afford them. In the last few months I've personally spent $200 on the ATH-CKM99, $500 on the Sony EX1000, $200 on the Sony EX600 and I'm now waiting for the $350 MDR7550 coming in the next few days. That's $1,250. Why spend all this money on all these universals? Well, it's my decision and I can choose to sell or keep one, some or all of them. Some people do have the money but may consider it foolish to spend so much on the JH16 or similar type of IEM, and for some people, who can indeed afford many things in life, even over $100-$200 on universal IEM may seem ludicrous. Does everyone who doesn't drive a Rolls Royce, Ferrari or BMW is because they cannot afford one?
 
PLEASE start your own JH16 thread, tell the WHOLE world what they're missing, tell them to get the money by any means in order to experience the one and only JH16. And if you want to convince macshooter he's made the right choice and also recommend amps, cables, etc., PLEASE PM him.

 


Edited by music_4321 - 7/5/11 at 4:20pm
post #293 of 467

BMW is overrated.

post #294 of 467

Hurray! biggrin.gif
 

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<snip> and I'm now waiting for the $350 MDR7550 coming in the next few days.

 



When are you going to get the ES5? cool.gif

post #295 of 467
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BMW is overrated.



Are you mad? They make some of the most efficiently engineered vehicles on the planet. A brand new BMW 320D comes in at 184bhp, 0-62mph in 7.5 seconds and with 60.1mpg combined. That's pretty much mind blowing if you ask me. Especially given how nippy the ride is. You're getting a whole lot of performance for very little juice.


Edited by Naim.F.C - 7/5/11 at 4:29pm
post #296 of 467
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BMW is overrated.


Those are fighting words.

Edit: I fell for it. Just a trick to lure the fanboys out.
Edited by shotgunshane - 7/5/11 at 4:34pm
post #297 of 467

Please I really don't want to start a flame war over this.   I will offer an honest first impression of them compared to the SE530 (which I have been listening to for well over a year now) when they arrive.  I should know immediately if they are worth the money.  It should be obvious, not a hair splitting affair where I have to hem and haw over subtle differences. I should be able to put them in and go "Wow, these are much better!" if they are really worth the money.    Subtle analysis beyond that will take weeks and months of listening so I will not do that.  Whatever is obviously better is what I will try to convey.

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When are you going to get the ES5? cool.gif


No plans for a second pair of customs now, but if I was considering a second set, right now I'd probably go for the Future Sonics MG6PRO. The ES5 would be my second choice.

 

 

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Please I really don't want to start a flame war over this.   I will offer an honest first impression of them compared to the SE530 (which I have been listening to for well over a year now) when they arrive.  I should know immediately if they are worth the money.  It should be obvious, not a hair splitting affair where I have to hem and haw over subtle differences. I should be able to put them in and go "Wow, these are much better!" if they are really worth the money.    Subtle analysis beyond that will take weeks and months of listening so I will not do that.  Whatever is obviously better is what I will try to convey.


I'm sure the differences will NOT be subtle. Like I said, I, and many others, find several universals clearly better sounding than the SE530s (not just subtle differences), so I'm sure you will hear a marked improvement.

 

post #299 of 467

I'm [also] waiting for Kunlun's review before I decide. The ES5 is on the top of my custom list though.
 

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No plans for a second pair of customs now, but if I was considering a second set, right now I'd probably go for the Future Sonics MG6PRO. The ES5 would be my second choice.

 



 

post #300 of 467
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Are you mad? They make some of the most efficiently engineered vehicles on the planet. A brand new BMW 320D comes in at 184bhp, 0-62mph in 7.5 seconds and with 55mpg combined. That's pretty much mind blowing if you ask me. Especially given how nippy the ride is. You're getting a whole lot of performance for very little juice.


Enjoy getting your BMW towed to the dealer where they will charge you an arm and a leg to change out your proprietary battery and reset your locked ECU.  I certainly hope you lease your Bimmer.  I'm not mad, I'm educated as the automotive degrees hanging on my wall would indicate.  Efficiency and benchmarks are easy to obtain when you don't build to last.  Plus I don't consider any German built car that adds 20% of it's cost as compensation to Deutsche Labor unions to be 'efficient' at all.  All that bang per buck will get sucked back out of your pocket at the dealership, don't worry.  Plus you can't even buy a 320d in the US if you wanted.  You need $45-$50k to get a 335d which makes no sense spending that much for 'efficiency'.  That's a pricey jack of all trades that masters none. If you don't care about 'status' or range then lease yourself a MiniE.  Plus if current trends continue Jag will outpace BMW in every imaginable metric.  At least they still incorporate luxury into their vehicles unlike Bimmer.      

 

My post was a bit of a truthful jest at the thread but if you want to get serious then post in the member's lounge.  There's about 2-3 threads where we rip into BMW and a few other makes.  I'm done discussing cars here.

 

Edit - The current year is 2011.  I fix my own cars which is why I don't and won't own a current production Bimmer.  This is fun article:

 

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/13/1052591776195.html 

 

 

 

  

 


Edited by Anaxilus - 7/5/11 at 6:18pm
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