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post #76 of 92
I highly value and rely on the Uncle Erik's reviews and feedbacks. I am now looking to purchase 800 myself...

Thanks for the great thread and feedbacks.
post #77 of 92
I have HD-600 for 7 years and got a 2hr listen of the HD-800 with my own amp, Rudistor RPX-33.

So I don't really qualify for this thread but you can read the report here - http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/sen...dition-435680/

cheers
post #78 of 92
I have the HD650 and just got the HD800. After ~60 hours of burnin with pink noise, the HD800's still sound TERRIBLE - very harsh at times and noticeably sibilant when it shouldn't be, compared with the HD650. Soundstage is better, and everything is nice and airy, but the harsh treble is a deal breaker. I might returnt he HD800's if they don't get a LOT better with more breakin.
post #79 of 92
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Originally Posted by SmellyGas View Post
I have the HD650 and just got the HD800. After ~60 hours of burnin with pink noise, the HD800's still sound TERRIBLE - very harsh at times and noticeably sibilant when it shouldn't be, compared with the HD650. Soundstage is better, and everything is nice and airy, but the harsh treble is a deal breaker. I might returnt he HD800's if they don't get a LOT better with more breakin.
What source and amplifier are you using them with? It's not in your profile.

I was able to plug my HD800s into a number of different amps at the recent Norcal meet; I agree with those who say that they are very picky about their upstream equipment.

And I'll add a new adjective: power-hungry. I like them a whole lot on my Woo WA6SE, which has a good dose of power, as these these things are reckoned in headphone circles (~800 mw, if memory serves) but hearing the bass on my favorite bass-showoff track ("Spanish Moon," from Little Feat's legendary Waiting for Columbus live album) on one exhibitor's 2W Bottlehead S.E.X. amp was a revelation. I got some idea of the bass side of what the balanced people are talking about.

So, when you say they sound TERRIBLE, down to the all-caps, it could be your preferences. But it could also be what you're feeding them with.
post #80 of 92
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Originally Posted by rangen View Post
What source and amplifier are you using them with? It's not in your profile.

I was able to plug my HD800s into a number of different amps at the recent Norcal meet; I agree with those who say that they are very picky about their upstream equipment.

And I'll add a new adjective: power-hungry. I like them a whole lot on my Woo WA6SE, which has a good dose of power, as these these things are reckoned in headphone circles (~800 mw, if memory serves) but hearing the bass on my favorite bass-showoff track ("Spanish Moon," from Little Feat's legendary Waiting for Columbus live album) on one exhibitor's 2W Bottlehead S.E.X. amp was a revelation. I got some idea of the bass side of what the balanced people are talking about.

So, when you say they sound TERRIBLE, down to the all-caps, it could be your preferences. But it could also be what you're feeding them with.
I listened to both the HD800 and HD650 on 4 different amps in my home
Audiotailor Jade (tube)
Yulong DAH1 (Lehman black cube clone stage)
Creek OBH-11, heavily modified
Sony receiver

The HD650 sounds great on any of those amps. The HD800 sounds sibilant, thin, and has a harsh treble. It's even more obvious when I swap back and forth between the two.

I am not the only person has this complaint. There is an entire thread here dedicated to the sibilance problem on the HD800. There is another thread here dedicated to how the HD800 sounds without hundreds of hours of break-in. I hope that is the reason.
post #81 of 92
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Originally Posted by SmellyGas View Post
I listened to both the HD800 and HD650 on 4 different amps in my home
Audiotailor Jade (tube)
Yulong DAH1 (Lehman black cube clone stage)
Creek OBH-11, heavily modified
Sony receiver
Sounds like a fair test, then. Thanks for the additional background. My experience was that the treble definitely mellowed during breakin, but not as much as you're implying you need in order to achieve audio satisfaction. And I wouldn't put the point of stability out at "hundreds of hours." More like maybe 120 hours. So I'm not optimistic about the prospect of your making friends with this headphone. But I hope you'll report back one way or the other. BTW I'm aware of the sibilance thread and much other writing here on the HD800.
post #82 of 92
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Originally Posted by SmellyGas View Post
I have the HD650 and just got the HD800. After ~60 hours of burnin with pink noise, the HD800's still sound TERRIBLE - very harsh at times and noticeably sibilant when it shouldn't be, compared with the HD650. Soundstage is better, and everything is nice and airy, but the harsh treble is a deal breaker. I might returnt he HD800's if they don't get a LOT better with more breakin.
I still find it a little strange.The hd 800+x can v8(no psu,stock tubes)+sony dvp ns 705v(dvd/sacd)+monster interlink 200(40 euro interconect cable,nothing special)=no sibilance.Just detailed,refined,open sound,with very good clarity and balance over the whole spectrum.

Only a bit"metalic feeling"on the lower treble/treble compared to my hd 600(same setup),but not more sibilant.
post #83 of 92
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Originally Posted by john53 View Post
I still find it a little strange.The hd 800+x can v8(no psu,stock tubes)+sony dvp ns 705v(dvd/sacd)+monster interlink 200(40 euro interconect cable,nothing special)=no sibilance.Just detailed,refined,open sound,with very good clarity and balance over the whole spectrum.

Only a bit"metalic feeling"on the lower treble/treble compared to my hd 600(same setup),but not more sibilant.
beats me. it's what I hear.
post #84 of 92

 

HD800 is concert hall and a a dry white wine

 

HD650 is jazz club and a rich red wine

post #85 of 92
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Originally Posted by SmellyGas View Post

I have the HD650 and just got the HD800. After ~60 hours of burnin with pink noise, the HD800's still sound TERRIBLE - very harsh at times and noticeably sibilant when it shouldn't be, compared with the HD650. Soundstage is better, and everything is nice and airy, but the harsh treble is a deal breaker. I might returnt he HD800's if they don't get a LOT better with more breakin.


I find the treble distressing at some recordings too - but I would never say terrible (and that's why I have kept my HD650's...). 

 

FWIR replacing the cable could do the trick (copper?) - though I have not tried it myself there are many places to read up on this. But I am a cables guy - I belive in a cable's significance.

 

Then then there is this easy mod - just adding some cotton cloth/velvet at the right places (easy to re-do also): 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/464042/want-more-bass-from-your-hd-800-easy-mod/45

post #86 of 92

As a current owner of the HD800 and a former owner of the HD650, I haven't noticed any sibilance issues.  I will say that I don't listen to the HD800 as loudly as the HD650, relatively speaking (which was never really loud to begin with....).  Personally speaking, I much prefer the HD800, but it is clear to me why others like the HD650.  They are VERY different.

post #87 of 92

okay, so maybe the hd800 is a much more premium  choice to most people (for its pricing and "sound")

But as i wondered, would anyone believe me if i told them that hd800 are clearer, but in a cold way; while the hd6x0 are warmer with clarity.

According to my ears, i would say no matter the impact or the amount of bass, i believe the hd6x0 wins...

while hd800 has a sure win on the soundstage, and the gap of each instrument(larger)

But still, hd6x0 is a more realistic pair of headphones, while hd800 is quite SUPERNATURALLY CLEAR.

Btw, hd600 sounded a bit more analog, while the hd800 is quite digital sounding

Is this what people want? A faked clear sound with a refined sound engine in the hd800 and forget about the realistic and naturalness of the sound that the producers want to give?

post #88 of 92

I have owned HD580(twice), HD600(twice), HD650 and HD800 and I always was/am a huge Senn fan. Also I am a huge electrostatics fan. The HD800s somehow mix the positive traits of stats and great dynamics like the HD600s. I was missing the airiness and clarity with other dynamics. With the HD800 I have all the detail and clarity I prefer combined with the visceral sound of dynamics.

 

The HD600s are obviously rolled off at lows. The HD800 sound fuller due to that. When I hear the HD600s with one setup and unplug them and plug in the HD800 a blanked is lifted over the sound. The HD800s are obviously in another league. Soundstagewise there is no comparison.

 

That said I still love the HD600s. They are quite less fatiguing. One can listen for hours on end to music. 

post #89 of 92

@cameronfsi, When you hear a violin/piano/whatever in a room... Does it sounds grainy? It does sound warmer if played in lower frequencies. Sound is pure, no grain except the string scratching... Why would people seek something grainy, veiled and so on?!?

 

I own the HD600 and now the HD800... It took not even a second to compare them... LOL  I'll probably be hard on the HD600... Let's face it, the price difference is huge! So, mainly comparing orange and apple. It's like comparing a Honda Accord and a Audi R8 wondering which one will be faster on ¼ miles...

 

HD600 is well.. best bang for the buck. Seriously, you can't beat that.

 

HD800, if you're more audiophile and willing to be yelled at by your wife because of the price, this is the "pair" you need! Or you could simply told her you got a never seen deal in history, priced at 500$ to avoid all the blabla.. eheh If you're a cowboy, just told her you found them on the street :D

 

 

The 600...

 

Good details, mids are over-emphasis, at first I thought only higher frequencies were veiled... but after putting the hd800 on my head... Everything on the hd600 is veiled

Bass is ok but sound more boomy than playing bass with texture, you hear bass, and that's about it.

For listening, you can listen to the 600 for hours without fatigue, it's like you're listening music enveloped in marshmallow. The soundstage is good.

 

Now the Hd800..

 

Only have one word for it... FINALLY!

My quest is done. Soundstage is superb, revealing, neutrality is fantastic, you can pinpoint instruments. Everything is veiled free, like removing a blanket over your speaker. That's how huge the difference is between the 600 and 800! The bass can go low with great control and textures.

 

 

Comfort, well... the 800 wins, the earcup are larger and it covers your whole ears, the hd600 has a narrower cup so its always a little bit on your ears.

 

I know it could reveal more as I can hear/feel much more on my hifi setup but for a headphone, can't ask for more.

 

If you were wondering if you should upgrade... Yes, oui, si, ja ;)

post #90 of 92

I have had the HD800 twice. I have had the HD650 all the time. They are totally different, but both are picky on amplifiers, if you are lucky you can find an amp that suits them both.

 

Keep them both and enjoy two very different ways of audio reproduction.   

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