Originally Posted by vaibhavp
which amp do you use with hd800?
although I have resolved not to get into flagship territory. It will get out of hands real fast.
About this audiophile stuff, most of it is sake oil, especially the flagship stuff. No doubt they're build to last which is a rarity in these times, which is to say I'm a fan of overbuilt equipment but within a reasonable limit.
Here's the deal about HiFi, it's shocking that audiophile stuff costs twice as much with halt the functionality of pro audio equipment. It makes no sense buying silver cables with silver transformers, power cables, etc. They're just prying on your inadiquicies, plenty's been written on this subject so I halt the rant right here. I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir ;) I jest ...
I'm using a Univeral Audio Apollo audio interface, belongs to the category of pro audio devices that are used in the best studios across the world. It manages 80 milliwatts at 300 on it's headphone out, that's plenty for the HD800, I can understand the need for more to help raise the headroom, like a blackface fender twin 100. That fender amp is primarily a country amp that's super loud and stays clean, known for it's signature compression, but hardly ever used even at half volume specially in studios etc, everything has it's sweet spot.
The apollo and other likes RME, etc can be considered mastering DACs, ultimately a great studio will write to a pro tape machine to get that finished analog sound even to this day. Really good studios will track (record) to a studer tape machine, do the mix etc and then finally master on a ampex tape machine, from that tape it's re-digitized to get the final product. These days you get 'null test' plugins from ONLY three companies, these plugins reproduce the analog equipment exactly, thus the 'null test'. I use these these UAD2 plugins some times to sweeten or widen, or even fix some annoying frequency with a surgeons knife, these are the very tools used in mastering and tracking. Up-sample and muck about since it's better to make changes at higher resolutions and then down sample for final delivery. In that sense even a well recoded average bit rate mp3 can sound better than a badly mixed hirez track, but then you knew that already.
Now the thing is on a forum like this people are talking about single channel DACs in the thousands of dollars, that's just crazy! These devices no doubt have embedded general eq/compression going to achieve their minor difference in tonality, they're charging gullible folks for a designer eq curve and some subtle mastering tools, like the tape plugins, you run any track through one of those hi quality plugins and your home, mind you there's a lot of snake oil in the plugin space too. It's a perversion of what the market will support.
As for cables, take a good guitar, plug it into a good tube amp with a 4 foot cable and then A/B that with a 20foot cable, there's a difference in capacitance, out of 10 guitar players in the room, 4 will like the shorter cable for its livelier bright signature, the rest will opt for the more rolled off highend, when it comes to signal cables you could use that as an eq, but a good amp just needs a twist of a knob to nullify any advantage your getting out using different cables. As far as a guitar power amp to speaker wire, expensive brands just use regular ol' copper that you find used in indoor electrical wiring, but there are people selling multicore solid core and a ton of other bull ****, sure buy a decent cable, but for it's reliability under stress.
The point is beware of flagship BS, pro audio is way better more flexible than the audiophile stuff, and cheaper! The last thing I'm going to do is start tube rolling on a headphone amp, while I'm no stranger to activity it with instrument amplifiers I'll leave that variable out of my personal listening coloration's. What would be the point of getting a super transparent transducer in a great package and running it coloured. Use a pro eq or plugin for better millage, you can always opt out. Lately I've just stopped listening to bad recordings, not depriving myself of anything, just a nice way to move on and expand my repertoire.
Spend wisely :D
here's something from a while back, a ham handed quick record of one of my fav guitar covers.
Edited by Twangsta - Yesterday at 11:07 am