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^. Interesting stuff that you have been dealing with. What are the clones that you mention and out of curiosity, why did you pass up on owning them especially if you liked them (specifically the Orpheus Clone) ?

 

Thanks

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^. Interesting stuff that you have been dealing with. What are the clones that you mention and out of curiosity, why did you pass up on owning them especially if you liked them (specifically the Orpheus Clone) ?

 

Thanks

 

Those clones were made my a Mr. Wachara Chin in Thailand. They were not for purchase. They are E-stats and the best sound quality I have heard apart from an Accuphase full fledged speakers.  There is a pretty interested thread here in Head-fi which caused me much curiosity.

They are huge but comfortable and have to be driven out of dedicated sources w/ 600+v as is the case with E-stats.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/498292/my-diy-electrostatic-headphones/1290#post_10459431

 


Edited by ayaflo - 4/16/14 at 4:00am
post #423 of 562

Ayaflo:

 

I went through parts of the thread and that is one fine piece of work by Wachara. How did you manage to listen to them? Did you go to Bangkok? If so, good on you.

post #424 of 562
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Ohh please... don't even talk about the wallet!! This hobby has surely taken a toll on my savings, and my other hobbies have suffered too...I sincerely hope the HD800 and LCD2 will keep me satisfied for some time now, before I start poking my head out the window again ;)

Wait. I still have to buy an amp for the LCDs..phew

 

 

I think the Lehmann BCL will cost around ~40k used (maybe even more). But, since it will serve nicely as a desktop amp for both the HD650 and HD800, I tend to think it will be worth its price.. 

40 k seems low. $500 level amp reaches 40 including taxes and duty.

 

Maybe you will find a good deal on used section :k701smile:

 

by the way I am curious, why lehmann will not pair with lcd? technically there is no reason why it should not.

 

if you were getting a OTL tube amp like zana deux or crack, then I agree, it will not be best pairing as they fail to provide high current.

 

a lot of people dont like hd800 with lehmann, but you like it and thats what matters.

 

I would suggest you give lcd a good listen with lehmann, then judge for yourself it it pairs well, instead of reading impressions from forum.

post #425 of 562
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"How did you manage to listen to them? Did you go to Bangkok? If so, good on you."

 

 

Yes I did. :dt880smile:

post #426 of 562
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Yes I did. :dt880smile:

Now that's dedication. On a more practical note, do you think we have the parts available in India to give this a shot ourselves? I have a guy that's done some DIY for about 35 years and he says "get me the parts and I will build it". I have already given him Dr. Kevin Gilmore's design for a high-voltage electrostatic amp. If you have an idea as to where to buy the parts mentioned in the BoM, let me know. Thanks in advance. A good build will easily exceed a lakh of rupees.

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40 k seems low. $500 level amp reaches 40 including taxes and duty.

 

Maybe you will find a good deal on used section :k701smile:

 

by the way I am curious, why lehmann will not pair with lcd? technically there is no reason why it should not.

 

if you were getting a OTL tube amp like zana deux or crack, then I agree, it will not be best pairing as they fail to provide high current.

 

a lot of people dont like hd800 with lehmann, but you like it and thats what matters.

 

I would suggest you give lcd a good listen with lehmann, then judge for yourself it it pairs well, instead of reading impressions from forum.

In that case, the Japanese made Bakoon amp will work beautifully with the LCD 2. Its pricey though (what else is new?)

post #428 of 562
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

Now that's dedication. On a more practical note, do you think we have the parts available in India to give this a shot ourselves? I have a guy that's done some DIY for about 35 years and he says "get me the parts and I will build it". I have already given him Dr. Kevin Gilmore's design for a high-voltage electrostatic amp. If you have an idea as to where to buy the parts mentioned in the BoM, let me know. Thanks in advance. A good build will easily exceed a lakh of rupees.

 

 

Hi there,
 

A good build will not cost you anywhere close to your estimate if you get ready raw materials. unless of course you plan to buy/build the whole range of things from a  CNC machine to the minutest thing like normal bias/ pro-bias connectors for the headphones.
 

The BOM is pretty easy. But the best route is to find alternatives. Like for example the bias power supply can be done with a simple voltage multiplier circuit and stators can be made from aluminium mosquito mesh.

 

To be honest with you, after listening to those headphones I do not understand why anyone should in fact purchase branded products like the Senns and AKGs.. when what you can probably make on your kitchen table will infact be better than those extensive R$D'd products. I, for one, stopped purchasing anything with regard to audio and resorted to trade/exchange after my trip to Thailand. There is near zero distortion levels on those clones and the bass quality is just marvellous, need I say about the details.


 

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Hi there,
 

A good build will not cost you anywhere close to your estimate if you get ready raw materials. unless of course you plan to buy/build the whole range of things from a  CNC machine to the minutest thing like normal bias/ pro-bias connectors for the headphones.
 

The BOM is pretty easy. But the best route is to find alternatives. Like for example the bias power supply can be done with a simple voltage multiplier circuit and stators can be made from aluminium mosquito mesh.

 

To be honest with you, after listening to those headphones I do not understand why anyone should in fact purchase branded products like the Senns and AKGs.. when what you can probably make on your kitchen table will infact be better than those extensive R$D'd products. I, for one, stopped purchasing anything with regard to audio and resorted to trade/exchange after my trip to Thailand. There is near zero distortion levels on those clones and the bass quality is just marvellous, need I say about the details.


 


I wish there were boutiqe stores here in India offering handmade high quality stuff.

post #430 of 562
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I wish there were boutiqe stores here in India offering handmade high quality stuff.

 

Actually I would hate something like that to happen, I am really tired of being spoon fed by better marketed products and Brand.

if there were 'storeS' like you say then a marketplace would be the next step of evolution eventually leading to competition. And once they compete, there will be 'Brand'. marketing, loyality and finally just a rebirth of the world we are in now... like Senn's, AKG's,  Beyers and 100s of audio companies...I am not refusing that I am biased in some certain scenarious and loyal to some brands.
Sometimes getting your hands dirty is worth it :rolleyes:
 

post #431 of 562
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Actually I would hate something like that to happen, I am really tired of being spoon fed by better marketed products and Brand.

if there were 'storeS' like you say then a marketplace would be the next step of evolution eventually leading to competition. And once they compete, there will be 'Brand'. marketing, loyality and finally just a rebirth of the world we are in now... like Senn's, AKG's,  Beyers and 100s of audio companies...I am not refusing that I am biased in some certain scenarious and loyal to some brands.
Sometimes getting your hands dirty is worth it :rolleyes:
 

 

well I am equally interested in DIY, I dont think its for everyone. it requires ton of commitment, effort.

 

besides I am not sure if akg and sennheiser are boutique manufacturers. i think they are much bigger than that with proper assembly lines.

post #432 of 562
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Originally Posted by ayaflo View Post
 

 

 

Hi there,
 

A good build will not cost you anywhere close to your estimate if you get ready raw materials. unless of course you plan to buy/build the whole range of things from a  CNC machine to the minutest thing like normal bias/ pro-bias connectors for the headphones.
 

The BOM is pretty easy. But the best route is to find alternatives. Like for example the bias power supply can be done with a simple voltage multiplier circuit and stators can be made from aluminium mosquito mesh.

 

To be honest with you, after listening to those headphones I do not understand why anyone should in fact purchase branded products like the Senns and AKGs.. when what you can probably make on your kitchen table will infact be better than those extensive R$D'd products. I, for one, stopped purchasing anything with regard to audio and resorted to trade/exchange after my trip to Thailand. There is near zero distortion levels on those clones and the bass quality is just marvellous, need I say about the details.


 

I agree with the sentiments. The problem is that some in this hobby (certainly me) are not conversant or competent to put together these things. It may be for want of trying or the technical competence/know-how ain't there. Extending this thought, there must truly be thousands of such folks since there are so many audio companies today catering to them. Your fundamental premise that DIY gets you close to the "optimal" sound is definitely intact. 

On my side, this whole discussion has been quite an eye-opener. In fact I ordered the Bottlehead Crack kit in my first attempt at DIY. Thank you for your time and explanation and trust we'll be in touch.

post #433 of 562
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Originally Posted by vaibhavp View Post
 

 

besides I am not sure if akg and sennheiser are boutique manufacturers. i think they are much bigger than that with proper assembly lines.

 

 

Like I said, Competition will lead to such things like Assembly lines, more R&D and better Marketing - these are nothing but the finer components of a 'Brand'.

post #434 of 562
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Originally Posted by ayaflo View Post
 

 

 

Like I said, Competition will lead to such things like Assembly lines, more R&D and better Marketing - these are nothing but the finer components of a 'Brand'.

 

i believe market in India is not big enough for companies to become giants.

 

hell big names like woo audio who have international repute are boutique manufacturers offering hand made products

post #435 of 562
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Originally Posted by vaibhavp View Post

i believe market in India is not big enough for companies to become giants.

hell big names like woo audio who have international repute are boutique manufacturers offering hand made products
Vaibhav, you are right. India is a minuscule market now for companies like Woo Audio to even bother. I had a brief discussion with Sankar at Audez'e on this. He used to have a dealer in Bangalore and it did not work out.
Interestingly though, I know if at least 6-10 people in Chennai that are big into DIY. I am talking to these folks to see if they can help me with a good DIY KGSSHV.
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