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Listening now. Such a talent.

Both the Woo and Oppo are sitting on the Oppo HA-1 stands sold in limited numbers by Oppo. I got two so I could sit the Woo on it as well. They do look snappy. I'm not sure if the shelf is glass or acrylic. I have never worked it out. Here is a better pic.



Like the setup mate !!

 

In other news the Elrog's have arrived in Sydney this morning and are on their way up, hope to report back tomorrow evening with photos. I am told they should pretty good out of the box, but get really sexy at around  80-100 hours.

 

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Like the setup mate !!

 

In other news the Elrog's have arrived in Sydney this morning and are on their way up, hope to report back tomorrow evening with photos. I am told they should pretty good out of the box, but get really sexy at around  80-100 hours.

 

 

Be still my tube-obsessed heart!! I have a pair of ER300Bs and ER845 reserved from the same supplier. Have to drag my ass out to Sydney in January for pickup.

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Ah yes the valve love, well nothing wrong with that. Definitely becomes an addiction though. Well hopefully tomorrow night I'll be able to report on the latest instalment.

Tony, forgive my ignorance but can you use 845's in the 234's?
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Ah yes the valve love, well nothing wrong with that. Definitely becomes an addiction though. Well hopefully tomorrow night I'll be able to report on the latest instalment.

Tony, forgive my ignorance but can you use 845's in the 234's?

 

The 845s are for my speaker amp - Triode Corp TRV845SE. Class A 20wpc - drives my Brodmann floorstanders beautifully. Only headphone amp I know of that uses 845s is the Viva Egoista. More the pity, as the 845 tube sound is truly wonderful.

 

Some hot 845 porn. These tubes burn hotter than the sun. The amp acts as a heater / grill - great in winter, not so good in summer.

 

 

The Triode amp use the 6SN7 input tube, then 2A3s driving 845s in the output stage. I have seen other designs using 300Bs driving 845s (like the LIne Magnetic amps), but mine doesn't.

 

I own a WA5 - I dream the dream of the WA234, but that is most unlikely to ever happen :( My craptastic car will need replacement soon, and that has to take priority over a WA234. Besides, I am finding the WA5 with upgraded tubes a great performer. It hits the spot nicely.

 

So the ER300Bs are for my WA5, the ER845s for my TRV845SE.

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then 2A3s driving 845s in the output stage.

 

 

Wow - 2A3's as drivers, sounds awesome. 

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The 845s are for my speaker amp - Triode Corp TRV845SE. Class A 20wpc - drives my Brodmann floorstanders beautifully. Only headphone amp I know of that uses 845s is the Viva Egoista. More the pity, as the 845 tube sound is truly wonderful.

 

Some hot 845 porn. These tubes burn hotter than the sun. The amp acts as a heater / grill - great in winter, not so good in summer.

 

 

The Triode amp use the 6SN7 input tube, then 2A3s driving 845s in the output stage. I have seen other designs using 300Bs driving 845s (like the LIne Magnetic amps), but mine doesn't.

 

I own a WA5 - I dream the dream of the WA234, but that is most unlikely to ever happen :( My craptastic car will need replacement soon, and that has to take priority over a WA234. Besides, I am finding the WA5 with upgraded tubes a great performer. It hits the spot nicely.

 

So the ER300Bs are for my WA5, the ER845s for my TRV845SE.


Thanks Tony,

 

Notice your using the Psvane CV181's, I have a set which I haven't used much at all, they sound bright and metallic in my system, your experience must be better ? Do these things take the typical Psvane - forever to burn in?

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Thanks Tony,

 

Notice your using the Psvane CV181's, I have a set which I haven't used much at all, they sound bright and metallic in my system, your experience must be better ? Do these things take the typical Psvane - forever to burn in?

 

They do take a while to reach their best. Around 150 - 200 hours would be my estimate.

 

The brightness and metallic sound does fade - but never completely goes away. An amount of 'crunchiness' remains. If paired with warmish tubes, then that becomes a non-issue for me. I am willing to go to the hassle because the Psvane T2 CV-181s deliver better extension and detail than any other 6SN7 equivalent I have tried (NOS or new produciton). They are also very balanced and even. A very nuetral tube, after burn in, with a slight lingering edge to them. With the right pairing they are wonderfully good, but any warmth and musicality has to come from other tubes in the chain. Almost a solid state kind of tube, if that makes any sense.

 

For example, in the WA5 I really like them with a darkish rectifier (Psvane WE274B replica) and darkish 300Bs (SERPs or Psvane WE300B replica).

 

In the TRV I pair them with Psvane WE275s (2A3 in a mini WE300B style), and the Psvane WE845.

 

You get warmth and musicality together with extension and detail, but the tube matching requires some care and experimentation.

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The 845s are for my speaker amp - Triode Corp TRV845SE. Class A 20wpc - drives my Brodmann floorstanders beautifully. Only headphone amp I know of that uses 845s is the Viva Egoista. More the pity, as the 845 tube sound is truly wonderful.

 

Some hot 845 porn. These tubes burn hotter than the sun. The amp acts as a heater / grill - great in winter, not so good in summer.

 

 

The Triode amp use the 6SN7 input tube, then 2A3s driving 845s in the output stage. I have seen other designs using 300Bs driving 845s (like the LIne Magnetic amps), but mine doesn't.

 

I own a WA5 - I dream the dream of the WA234, but that is most unlikely to ever happen :( My craptastic car will need replacement soon, and that has to take priority over a WA234. Besides, I am finding the WA5 with upgraded tubes a great performer. It hits the spot nicely.

 

So the ER300Bs are for my WA5, the ER845s for my TRV845SE.

Awesome looking amp A+ 

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They do take a while to reach their best. Around 150 - 200 hours would be my estimate.

 

The brightness and metallic sound does fade - but never completely goes away. An amount of 'crunchiness' remains. If paired with warmish tubes, then that becomes a non-issue for me. I am willing to go to the hassle because the Psvane T2 CV-181s deliver better extension and detail than any other 6SN7 equivalent I have tried (NOS or new produciton). They are also very balanced and even. A very nuetral tube, after burn in, with a slight lingering edge to them. With the right pairing they are wonderfully good, but any warmth and musicality has to come from other tubes in the chain. Almost a solid state kind of tube, if that makes any sense.

 

For example, in the WA5 I really like them with a darkish rectifier (Psvane WE274B replica) and darkish 300Bs (SERPs or Psvane WE300B replica).

 

In the TRV I pair them with Psvane WE275s (2A3 in a mini WE300B style), and the Psvane WE845.

 

You get warmth and musicality together with extension and detail, but the tube matching requires some care and experimentation.


Great amp !

 

That makes sense, thanks. I recently received a pair of very tightly matched TS RP with the best test results I have yet seen, they sound so much better for my tastes than any other 6SN7 I have heard. They have a magical lush sound whilst being holographic and immediate. I admit I have always preferred them even over the Brimars, however I was surprised at this latest set of Tung Sol's. Having said that I don't like any brightness or edge in my sound. That probably explains my preference for the LCD-3's.

 

I am thinking that the higher up the 300B chain you go the more refined the sound. The next month will be interesting with the Elrog's and the Takatsukis & WE's arriving.

 

I will give the Psvanes CV181's another crack. Darkish is exactly how I would describe the Psvane 274B

 

Thanks for the feedback, I am by the window looking for the AUS Post truck........

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Great amp !

 

That makes sense, thanks. I recently received a pair of very tightly matched TS RP with the best test results I have yet seen, they sound so much better for my tastes than any other 6SN7 I have heard. They have a magical lush sound whilst being holographic and immediate. I admit I have always preferred them even over the Brimars, however I was surprised at this latest set of Tung Sol's. Having said that I don't like any brightness or edge in my sound. That probably explains my preference for the LCD-3's.

 

I am thinking that the higher up the 300B chain you go the more refined the sound. The next month will be interesting with the Elrog's and the Takatsukis & WE's arriving.

 

I will give the Psvanes CV181's another crack. Darkish is exactly how I would describe the Psvane 274B

 

Thanks for the feedback, I am by the window looking for the AUS Post truck........

 

It's the combination of extension, detail and musicality that can be so hard to find. The T2s have 2 out of 3, and I can work around the last one with tube matching.

 

How are the TS RPs with detail and extension? If they can tick all 3 boxes then they might be what I need.

 

I'll be fascinated to hear your comparisons of the Elrog vs Takasuki vs WE.

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The Elrog's are in the house ! Beautiful build quality, bases look better than I thought. Letting them warm up for a while before 1st listen......

 

Will report back shortly.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by TonyNewman View Post
 

 

It's the combination of extension, detail and musicality that can be so hard to find. The T2s have 2 out of 3, and I can work around the last one with tube matching.

 

How are the TS RPs with detail and extension? If they can tick all 3 boxes then they might be what I need.

 

I'll be fascinated to hear your comparisons of the Elrog vs Takasuki vs WE.

The Tung Sol's properly matched are heaven, but expensive, I have two slightly different sets, one with VT231 stamped on the base, but 6SN7GT on the glass the other set have only 6SN7GT on the bases and glass, if pushed I would say the 2nd set are marginally better. Its important to get them tightly matched with excellent test results, and look for early 1940's production. I have had an experience with a pair which sounded sibilant and so so forth they needed 24/7 burn in for there 1st week to strip the cathode  clean and to get best performance.

 

Found this on Tube Maze

 

"I have found that these old RoundPlate Tung Sol 6SN7s often need some extended usage to “wake up” the cathode and strip off the oxidized layer of barium on the cathode to get down to the strongly emitting layers of cathode emulsion. Before an extended “burn in” or “wake up” period, the roundplate 6SN7s are a little bit sluggish-sounding, and sound a little bit muddled/muddy, and in particular do not have good treble extrension or “air” in the high frequencies. But.. oh, WOW, when these legendary roundplate TungSol 6SN7s DO wake up after some burn in time… they will absolutely blow you away. They combine the midrange layering and dimensionality of the Brimar CV1988 with the sparkle and air on top in the extreme treble response that usually is heard only in the Sylvania 6SN7 W (black base, NOT metal base!!) But it is the midrange that is where the roundplate TungSol 6SN7 makes magic happen. It is difficult to describe; the roundplate 6SN7 by TungSol has such incredible 3-D imaging/soundstaging and such natural, musical timbre in the all-important midrange that it makes it very hard to go back to any other 6SN7 after you have spent a few weeks with the roundplate TungSol. This is my favorite 6SN7 tube…

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Originally Posted by isquirrel View Post
 

The Tung Sol's properly matched are heaven, but expensive, I have two slightly different sets, one with VT231 stamped on the base, but 6SN7GT on the glass the other set have only 6SN7GT on the bases and glass, if pushed I would say the 2nd set are marginally better. Its important to get them tightly matched with excellent test results, and look for early 1940's production. I have had an experience with a pair which sounded sibilant and so so forth they needed 24/7 burn in for there 1st week to strip the cathode  clean and to get best performance.

 

Found this on Tube Maze

 

"I have found that these old RoundPlate Tung Sol 6SN7s often need some extended usage to “wake up” the cathode and strip off the oxidized layer of barium on the cathode to get down to the strongly emitting layers of cathode emulsion. Before an extended “burn in” or “wake up” period, the roundplate 6SN7s are a little bit sluggish-sounding, and sound a little bit muddled/muddy, and in particular do not have good treble extrension or “air” in the high frequencies. But.. oh, WOW, when these legendary roundplate TungSol 6SN7s DO wake up after some burn in time… they will absolutely blow you away. They combine the midrange layering and dimensionality of the Brimar CV1988 with the sparkle and air on top in the extreme treble response that usually is heard only in the Sylvania 6SN7 W (black base, NOT metal base!!) But it is the midrange that is where the roundplate TungSol 6SN7 makes magic happen. It is difficult to describe; the roundplate 6SN7 by TungSol has such incredible 3-D imaging/soundstaging and such natural, musical timbre in the all-important midrange that it makes it very hard to go back to any other 6SN7 after you have spent a few weeks with the roundplate TungSol. This is my favorite 6SN7 tube…

 

Great pics of the Elrogs - looking forward to your impressions - and thanks for the info on the TS RPs.

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Good Lord, those Elrogs just look beautiful. Screw the lit up look, those are sexy as all getout.

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Okay some initial first impressions of the Elrog 300B's after 4 hours of warm up and burn in.

 

Very musical with excellent extension, they don't sound like any other 300B I have (and that's a good thing who needs another replica) bass performance is stellar. Good detail and sense of soundstage height and depth. Tonally either on the neutral or slightly darker side.

 

Musicality is good, quite a lush sound, good sense of timing, they lay the music out in front of you.

 

Already better than the KR300 Balloons which are very well burned in. Not light years better but I can hear how they will improve with some time as they have already come along nicely since listening 3 hours ago. The Elrog's are something special, how special we shall see, they need time.

 

I have to get cracking on Christmas Eve preparations but will report in more detail tonight :wink_face:

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