or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › Woo Audio Amp Owner Unite
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Woo Audio Amp Owner Unite - Page 2015

post #30211 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by wongtonypr View Post
 

Can anyone compare the WA5-le and the studio six to drive the hd800?

I only tried the studio six before, can they consider to be the 'same level'?

 

I have, in my 15 minute audition at a local hifi shop, the WA5 (and by parity of reasoning, the WA5-LE) is in a different league from the Studio Six with the right tube combination. I felt it sounded closed-in and lacked exquisite details in the nuances which the WA5 delivers in spades. The WA5 sounded warmer and was more 'delicate'. The Studio Six was more solid statey. Might be a bit of an unfair comparison because the Studio Six may also sound better with upgraded tubes. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

all woo amps are like this I think.

 

the WA6-SE is veiled and congested with grain with stock tubes, the WA2 is too muddy with stock tubes, the WA22 is colored and has a weird treble bite to it with stock tubes, a somewhat shouty midrange similar to WA6-SE, and the WA5 stock sounded pretty bad too, the detail and presence was there, but the sound was still unrefined, especially the treble.

 

woos are meant to be tube rolled and upgraded. I really wish jack would put decent/semi-premium tubes at least when he displays his amps at the meets. As you said, I think many of these bad impressions people have are partly due to this.

 

+1

 

If you buy Woo amps you better be aware of this. The WA5 stock tubes I had were bottom of the line Shuguang 300Bs and 5U4Gs with a horribly microphonic GE 6SN7. Some say (jokingly) that Woo includes these tubes just to let you know the amp works. I understand why Woo does this though - a company cannot give any warranty on NOS tubes and unfortunately for the tubes Woo selects for most of its amps, NOS vintage tubes sound much better than modern production ones. It has to balance reliability with reasonably decent sound. But I agree with DG that Woo should put in some top end NOS tubes in its amps during meets. 


Edited by lojay - 5/31/14 at 6:28pm
post #30212 of 39044

Can u plz compare the wa5 and studio six in stock tubes?

I am thinking to purchase either one of them but the studio six is a little bit out of my budget..

Also, do u think the chord hugo can pair nicely with the wa5?

I tried to pair the hugo with the ss but it seems to be a bad combination..

post #30213 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by lojay View Post
 

 

I have, in my 15 minute audition at a local hifi shop, the WA5 (and by parity of reasoning, the WA5-LE) is in a different league from the Studio Six with the right tube combination. I felt it sounded closed-in and lacked exquisite details in the nuances which the WA5 delivers in spades. The WA5 sounded warmer and was more 'delicate'. The Studio Six was more solid statey. Might be a bit of an unfair comparison because the Studio Six may also sound better with upgraded tubes. 

 

 

+1

 

If you buy Woo amps you better be aware of this. The WA5 stock tubes I had were bottom of the line Shuguang 300Bs and 5U4Gs with a horribly microphonic GE 6SN7. Some say (jokingly) that Woo includes these tubes just to let you know the amp works. I understand why Woo does this though - a company cannot give any warranty on NOS tubes and unfortunately for the tubes Woo selects for most of its amps, NOS vintage tubes sound much better than modern production ones. It has to balance reliability with reasonably decent sound. But I agree with DG that Woo should put in some top end NOS tubes in its amps during meets. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by wongtonypr View Post
 

Can u plz compare the wa5 and studio six in stock tubes?

I am thinking to purchase either one of them but the studio six is a little bit out of my budget..

Also, do u think the chord hugo can pair nicely with the wa5?

I tried to pair the hugo with the ss but it seems to be a bad combination..

 

 

im gonna have to agree with his comparison, from people i trust, i've heard mixed things about Studio Six, whereas I hear alot of praise for WA5 and I believe it now. I don't think any upgraded tubes would help the Studio Six out that much, and the Wa5 sounds a tons better with upgraded tubes.

 

If you are buying WA5 or considering it but can't afford upgraded tubes (at least $500-600 for mid-level tubes, not necessary to spend thousands on ultra premium NOS tubes), you might be better off with a WA22 or WA2 and some nice NOS tubes.

 

 

BTW just rolled in my pair of Mullard CV593 into the WA5, omg I keep getting more and more impressed by this tube. Honestly, its 95% of the way to the U52, the sound is pretty much the same, beautiful euphonic tonal balance and great all around at everything else, those "delicate nuances" come out a little more on the U52, but this is no worse anywhere else.

 

the bass is really nice too, just enough and clean enough


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/31/14 at 10:43pm
post #30214 of 39044

I think I will switch tubes after pairing the dac.

Any suggestions on dac to pair with the WA5 and hd800?

post #30215 of 39044

no as i haven't even heard WA5 and HD 800 myself, gotta buy an Hd 800 in the coming weeks, hopefully i can wait another month since i'm working afternoons midnights the next couple weeks and them i'm on shift for like 2 weeks straight, it can wait

post #30216 of 39044

I'm sure many here on this thread have owned the WA6 then upgraded to the 6-S/E…has anyone found the WA6 to have a more tube like sound compared to the 6-S/E regardless of the tubes, just the amps sound itself. Thanks.

post #30217 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by lojay View Post

Speaking from experience, I doubt that this would be the end of your quest. I can tell you that my WA5 sounded quite terrible with stock tubes. Well not terrible terrible but definitely disappointing as it was not much better than my $500 Little Dot Mk-IV. Some gurus on this forum have reported in the earlier days that the WA5 did not sound impressive during meets. This is because I think Woo designed the WA5 expecting you to tube-roll and these Headfiers were listening to it stock or with poor tube combinations. To some, including myself, tube rolling can be an engaging and fun exercise, hearing your amp grow or sound like different amps. The WA5-LE provides hundreds of combinations of tubes. Unfortunately (and some are put off for this), each of the driver, rectifier and 
Some of its sonic characteristics with the premium tubes include a slightly warm tone while remaining transparent, detailed, fast dynamics and transients, and stunning soundstage and imaging. It's tonality depends heavily on the driver tubes (night and day difference!) and its soundstage on mainly the 300B and rectifiers. I think is not particularly musical or euphonic but the tubes may add some of that tubieness if desired. It is quite weak on bass and you will be more satisfied with an SS amp if you are a bass head. Its treble can sound etched at times if you pair it with a Sabre type of digital DAC or something like the Benchmark.

YMMV.

Thanks for the information on how the different tubes type (driver//power/rectifier) affect the different aspects of the sound.  When I get round to tube rolling, I'll focus on the driver tubes first.

 

I've lived with valve amps before, driving speakers rather than headphones (a Conrad Johnson MV50 and an Esoteric Audio Research E.A.R. 519 by Tim de Paravacini (awesome amp currently in storage)).  So it will be nice to get to know some new old friends.

 

Thanks again for your input - Peter

post #30218 of 39044

 

 

Decided on a new setup at home after getting this black cabinet from a friend who was moving, I think all the black looks sleek.  Unfortunately, no more Woo at work, but I'll get to enjoy this setup much more, without interruptions from people.  Listening to Eric Clapton Unplugged as I write this... so relaxing.

 

"Mighty" 596 on the way as well (impulse buy, it looks awesome, lol) so I should have all of my drivers, adapters and rectifiers arriving next week, going to make for a fun weekend rolling tubes.

post #30219 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by lojay View Post
 

 

I have, in my 15 minute audition at a local hifi shop, the WA5 (and by parity of reasoning, the WA5-LE) is in a different league from the Studio Six with the right tube combination. I felt it sounded closed-in and lacked exquisite details in the nuances which the WA5 delivers in spades. The WA5 sounded warmer and was more 'delicate'. The Studio Six was more solid statey. Might be a bit of an unfair comparison because the Studio Six may also sound better with upgraded tubes. 

 

 

+1

 

If you buy Woo amps you better be aware of this. The WA5 stock tubes I had were bottom of the line Shuguang 300Bs and 5U4Gs with a horribly microphonic GE 6SN7. Some say (jokingly) that Woo includes these tubes just to let you know the amp works. I understand why Woo does this though - a company cannot give any warranty on NOS tubes and unfortunately for the tubes Woo selects for most of its amps, NOS vintage tubes sound much better than modern production ones. It has to balance reliability with reasonably decent sound. But I agree with DG that Woo should put in some top end NOS tubes in its amps during meets. 

 

 

http://www.sophiaelectric.eu/us/b/300b-globe-mesh/0?r=155

I upgraded to the option 1-300b Globe Mesh Plate.

 

 

I have spent some time at a meet with the HD 800 and Woo 5 LE. The HD 800s were nice. I'm not really a HD 800 guy so maybe not the member to respond here. I did also try the HD 800s with an after market cord. There was actually a slight improvement. I didn't think an extra $500 cord price was worth it.lol

 

 

The Woo 5 LE and HD 800 is a very, very clear and analytical presentation. I maybe should try it again as that is the new sound signature I am moving towards. Getting away from warm and going to a ruler flat frequency response which the combo guarantees. 

post #30220 of 39044

Brothers and Sisters of the Woo,  I am saddened to say that I am parting with my mint condition maxed WA5. All of his many glass accouterments will also be accompanying him.   Please help find him a good home :smile:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/721043/woo-audio-wa5-maxed#post_10592459

post #30221 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by prosperone View Post
 

Brothers and Sisters of the Woo,  I am saddened to say that I am parting with my mint condition maxed WA5. All of his many glass accouterments will also be accompanying him.   Please help find him a good home :smile:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/721043/woo-audio-wa5-maxed#post_10592459

 

Surprised no taker yet, if I have as much time as last year it is mine...

post #30222 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

all woo amps are like this I think.

 

the WA6-SE is veiled and congested with grain with stock tubes, the WA2 is too muddy with stock tubes, the WA22 is colored and has a weird treble bite to it with stock tubes, a somewhat shouty midrange similar to WA6-SE, and the WA5 stock sounded pretty bad too, the detail and presence was there, but the sound was still unrefined, especially the treble.

 

woos are meant to be tube rolled and upgraded. I really wish jack would put decent/semi-premium tubes at least when he displays his amps at the meets. As you said, I think many of these bad impressions people have are partly due to this.

 

+1.  Well said DSG!

I was one of those people.

post #30223 of 39044

I've long understood the WooAudio value price based model. It allows customer affordable entry. And for those with "jc9394's Toy budget" :veryevil: those members can take their desires to the next level. 

post #30224 of 39044
Quote:
Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

all woo amps are like this I think.

 

the WA6-SE is veiled and congested with grain with stock tubes, the WA2 is too muddy with stock tubes, the WA22 is colored and has a weird treble bite to it with stock tubes, a somewhat shouty midrange similar to WA6-SE, and the WA5 stock sounded pretty bad too, the detail and presence was there, but the sound was still unrefined, especially the treble.

 

woos are meant to be tube rolled and upgraded. I really wish jack would put decent/semi-premium tubes at least when he displays his amps at the meets. As you said, I think many of these bad impressions people have are partly due to this.

 

+1.  Well said DSG!

I was one of those people.

:sigh: I never understood this. Formerly worked in the trade and Winter/Summer CES shows where companies want put their best foot forward. Show what's possible and bring it!

post #30225 of 39044

My gosh, if a builder wants to sell their amps at a premium, then for gosh sakes, sell your amp with premium tubes and make those your stock tubes. Showcase your amp with tubes that make you proud of your design efforts and nothing less.

 

Lamborghini doesn't outfit their "Lamborghini Huracan," with sub-par wheels on it. Their stock wheels are the car as well. The same should be with amps and their stock tubes.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphone Amps (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphone Amps (full-size) › Woo Audio Amp Owner Unite