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Agree. I found their main characteristic to be punchy in the mids, sometimes to much, as in the combination with the 596, IMHO of course. They seem pretty well behaved with the EML so the bass is not so much overshadowed by the mids, and that works pretty nicely for me. What would be some of your suggestions?

 

I don't have the benefit of having heard the 596-- and I'm not sure I ever will.  Even if I came across a pair-- I'm anxious about a big cash outlay for two tubes that may not match.  I've been burned by this in the past.  I love the EMLs anyway and I'm not anxious to give them up.  

 

I'm more on a hunt for the ultimate 6SN7.  I don't think I've found the perfect tube yet.  Sophia makes a 6SN7 tube I may try-- and there I've read that Sylvania has a 6SN7 with the bass punch I'm seeking.  I have a pair of RCAs which are ideal in the bass-- but they go sibilant too easily, which I find annoying.  

 

They other way to get there may be to keep the 181's but try the Sophia Royal Princess 300B-- which is supposed to have a ton of bass punch.  But that's a $1200 dollar 'experiment' I'm not anxious to conduct.

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From an old post in the WA2 threads:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/402215/the-woo-audio-2/510#post_7253705

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Many of the GE-labeled EZ80s are rebadged Phillips.  So, if Ei are the Yugoslavian equivalent of Phillips, it makes sense you weren't able to tell much difference between them.

 

I got my RFTs off ebay.  If you're willing to try the RFT EZ81 (I think the WA2 can handle the EZ81), tubemonger,com has them.

 

Glad to hear my ears still got it :)

 

I'll add those EZ81's to my list, thanks!

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Hey GalaxyGuy,

Yeah, I did keep my WA22. I closed the auction and decided that I will keep my WA22 for the long haul. It's just too nice of an amp to sell and take a big resale value hit. I knew I would regret it.

I got really exciting to buy a CLAS- db and Apex Glacier since I am able to use portable so much more often. I sold off my Audiophilleo2 and PurePower 2 and D18 to get the portable setup and other stuff.

I ended up just buying a Schiit Gungnir off the for sale forums so ill have the same setup as you it looks like now. I also ordered a new Musiland 03 USD as a USB to SPDIF converter after reading a rave review of it compared to Evo and Audiophilleo. I was going to get a V-link 192 but felt like taking a chance on the 03.
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Sid...did you keep your WA22?  I thought you were selling it here...
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I don't have the benefit of having heard the 596-- and I'm not sure I ever will.  Even if I came across a pair-- I'm anxious about a big cash outlay for two tubes that may not match.  I've been burned by this in the past.  I love the EMLs anyway and I'm not anxious to give them up.  

 

I'm more on a hunt for the ultimate 6SN7.  I don't think I've found the perfect tube yet.  Sophia makes a 6SN7 tube I may try-- and there I've read that Sylvania has a 6SN7 with the bass punch I'm seeking.  I have a pair of RCAs which are ideal in the bass-- but they go sibilant too easily, which I find annoying.  

 

They other way to get there may be to keep the 181's but try the Sophia Royal Princess 300B-- which is supposed to have a ton of bass punch.  But that's a $1200 dollar 'experiment' I'm not anxious to conduct.

I meant driver tubes (6SN7s) relative to the EML rectifier, not so much the 596. Funnily enough, the Sophia 6SN7s you mention were one of my first "fancy" driver tubes (together with the Sophia Princess 274B rectifier), and the best match so far has been for me with the 596... with other rectifiers, incl. Sophia's own, kinda meh.

 

Haven't had a chance to try them with the EML yet. Only so much time available for quality listening, and sometimes I like to just sit back and enjoy rather than another round of tube comparisons :p


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Only so much time available for quality listening, and sometimes I like to just sit back and enjoy rather than another round tube comparisons :p

 

I hear ya.  My Scout has been my best friend during tax season this year.  I played through dozens of albums with the WA5LE.  

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This is what I had been thinking the last month - pairing a '5' with some vintage Klipsch speakers.

 

You know that's my dream rig... a WA5 with Klipshorns, in the right room of course devil_face.gif

 

 

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Hey Grokit,

Are you still using your Schiit Gungnir as your main DAC? I remember back when we were both considering either the D18 or Gungnir. I ended up getting the D18 and loving it when you went with the Gungnir. Well I just picked up a Gungnir on the for sale forums and am looking forward to checking it out. I always wondered how I would have liked it if I had gone that route. It will be cool to have thorough experience with both directly.

Unfortunately, I no longer have my AP2/PP so I will be picking up a V-Link 192 in the meantime. Hopefully that will work pretty well in the meantime.

 

Why yes, I am. Sorry I have not been keeping up with the faster-moving threads lately! I would expect the Gungnir to sound fuller, perhaps more musical and the D18 to be more detailed and open sounding. But this is only from what I have read regarding the D18 and Sabre DACs in general. I would be interested to hear your impressions of how these two balanced DACs compare with the WA22...

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Your best bet is to get a pair of 596 tubes but these are starting to get hard to find.

Next best thing would to get a pair or 5U4GB these are stronger then a 5u4G

I know nobody likes the 5U4GB it is not as pretty but a much better tube the 596 and 5U4GB

are electrically close.  If anybody says the 5U4GB don't sound good I say BS.

One thing when you buy new rectifiers they have to be the same brand and vintage

or the filaments won't worm up evenly and one tube will blow up

 

Amen to the 5U4GB. I've tried the Tung Sol and RCA variants, and while they may not be on the same level as the better rectifiers, they still perform well and are very cheap. I prefer the RCAs by a hair, but the Tung Sols are not shabby at all. For $30 for a pair of NOS US-branded 5U4GBs, don't bother with cheap 5AR4s.

 

I remember the hoo-haa about the EML 5U4G in the WA-5, but did anyone face any problems with it in the WA22? So far mine has hit about 1000 hours, and the only time it misbehaved was when it sparked once 5 minutes into warm-up. That was a few months back and it's still going strong.

 

The EML was the first top-flight" rectifier that I rolled into my WA22, and the only tube I ever had any problems with. It blew up within the warranty period, so I was glad I had bit the bullet for a new one. It was replaced under warranty and I didn't have any more problems. There were quite a few of these blowing up by that time, and mine was part of the last wave of bad ones before the final revision. I remember EML was working with Woo and other amp manufacturers to increase tolerances or something. AFAIK, these issues were minimized after that final revision.

 

 

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Is the EML noticeably larger than the Sophia Princess?

 

 

 

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I did keep my WA22

 

Good choice!

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Yeah, I did keep my WA22.

 

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The EML was the first top-flight" rectifier that I rolled into my WA22, and the only tube I ever had any problems with. It blew up within the warranty period, so I was glad I had bit the bullet for a new one. It was replaced under warranty and I didn't have any more problems. There were quite a few of these blowing up by that time, and mine was part of the last wave of bad ones before the final revision. I remember EML was working with Woo and other amp manufacturers to increase tolerances or something. AFAIK, these issues were minimized after that final revision.

 

 

 

 

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Would you care to comment on the differences you hear between these three?  I'm current running Miss Sophia, and she sounds fantastic in the 22, but my curiosity is getting the best of me. If this comparison's already been done elsewhere, you could just point me there. I'm just a bit new here...

 

Cheers

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Here you go...

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/428570/woo-audio-amp-owner-unite/13755#post_7751607

 

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Awesome read.  Thanks!

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During the EML saga mentioned by grokit, EML went as far as to shut down the production line - twice in 18 months, I believe, to make improvements. Some batches were already in the wild. The amount of cash laid out made for frustrating times. But, hats-off to ALL parties who participated to work it out.

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To compliment grokit's review, another Wooist, fellow member kchew, did a shootout of seven rectifiers in his WA22:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/428570/woo-audio-amp-owner-unite/20325#post_8305688

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That is one great, in depth review.

 

Thanks to kchek and grokit.

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