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post #451 of 661

So i downloaded the new Amarra 2.4 but have never deleted the previous one-2.2, is that a problem?  It is still in my dock, i actually brought it up to a/b it at close time intervals to see the difference...which i liked better.  Not even sure how to delete this one exactly without effecting the new one but i don't seem to have an issue just leaving it.  Any ideas?

post #452 of 661

Well I finally got in!  Needed to set read/write preferences directly to the Armarra folder and apply to all contents within.

 

Now as far as the sound, I find Audirvana + better than Amarra in both cache mode direct play and cache playlist mode.  Audirvana + has more detail, air, and is more dynamic.  Amarra has a great sound and the current look is much better than the one a few versions back but I still hate the early 90's color and font they use.  

 

For Audirvana +, the settings I've used to compare with are:

 

Audio System: Exclusive access, Audio Filters: iZotope 64-bit SRC best quality, no forced upsampling, iTunes: all boxes checked.

post #453 of 661
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Now as far as the sound, I find Audirvana + better than Amarra in both cache mode direct play and cache playlist mode.  Audirvana + has more detail, air, and is more dynamic.  

 

 

System synergy imo is always a factor, as I have the same results with Amarra 2.3.3. At the same time I found Audirvana + a bit forward and contrived in its HF and upper-mids, and without the sense of naturalness and ease of the Amarra sound. Ymmv.

post #454 of 661
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System synergy imo is always a factor, as I have the same results with Amarra 2.3.3. At the same time I found Audirvana + a bit forward and contrived in its HF and upper-mids, and without the sense of naturalness and ease of the Amarra sound. Ymmv.

 

This was my experience as well... system synergy. Based on configs the past several months, I found A+ to sound good but Amarra to sound better. However, I always strive to keep an open mind. I have made system changes in February, so will revisit A+ with a 15 Day trial in a few days.

post #455 of 661
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System synergy imo is always a factor, as I have the same results with Amarra 2.3.3. At the same time I found Audirvana + a bit forward and contrived in its HF and upper-mids, and without the sense of naturalness and ease of the Amarra sound. Ymmv.

 

 

Well my conclusion was based just on a quick listen so I try listening to whole album to get a better feel. Might have been too quick to dismiss. 

post #456 of 661

I personally like to have a 21 day minimum inside the listening room... but this is not always possible. But, I always prefer extended time with something new over A/B comparo's.

post #457 of 661
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System synergy imo is always a factor, as I have the same results with Amarra 2.3.3. At the same time I found Audirvana + a bit forward and contrived in its HF and upper-mids, and without the sense of naturalness and ease of the Amarra sound. Ymmv.

 

 

Well my conclusion was based just on a quick listen so I try listening to whole album to get a better feel. Might have been too quick to dismiss. 

 

 

 

Our systems are completely different, so I wouldn't be surprised if you'd prefer different software. I still have Fidelia Advanced (I thinks its called) and Audirvana + in case I might need them.

post #458 of 661

With my setup I find there's nothing that compares to Amarra's tonally rich sound. I wish it weren't true as I find Amarra's license issues and overall bugginess frustrating enough to dump if I could find something comparable. I've tried SimpleMusic, Audirvanna, bitperfect, Fidelia, etc. All of them fell way short of Amarra.

post #459 of 661
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With my setup I find there's nothing that compares to Amarra's tonally rich sound. I wish it weren't true as I find Amarra's license issues and overall bugginess frustrating enough to dump if I could find something comparable. I've tried SimpleMusic, Audirvanna, bitperfect, Fidelia, etc. All of them fell way short of Amarra.

 

 

And I'd dump it with my hand cupped between forearm and upper arm. Screw them their bogus software, and rip off prices.  

post #460 of 661
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With my setup I find there's nothing that compares to Amarra's tonally rich sound. I wish it weren't true as I find Amarra's license issues and overall bugginess frustrating enough to dump if I could find something comparable. I've tried SimpleMusic, Audirvanna, bitperfect, Fidelia, etc. All of them fell way short of Amarra.

 

 

Well after listening some more, I hearing more of that richness in the strings.  So it's sound might be winning my over.  But I really hate having to load up the playlist to get the best sound and gapless playback.  It also loads the whole damn album into memory.  The other players are just so much easier.  So far no bugs yet but I'm not holding my breathe.  

post #461 of 661

The worst part is our complaints about gapless, licensing and bugs AREN'T the worst part. To my ears there's a difference between 2.2 and 2.4, even on snow leopard. 2.4 has a thinner bottom end which I can't afford to lose given how neutral my setup is. I used the opening of Springsteen's Point Blank as my test track because of it's heavy-ish bass intro. I A/B'd them, but I don't even need to do that anymore. There's less bass coming through in 2.4, a slightly wider soundstage and...[choke]... less richness. On Lion the news is even worse. The soundstage is much wider and the bass is even thinner, almost recessed. For me it's a deal breaker for 2.4 and even for Lion (This may all be Lion's fault because Apple changed the way audio is handled in it, and I guess Sonic Studio had to make changes to work with it. I don't really know, it's just a guess). How big a difference is it really? Some may not even notice, but for me it feels like a component in my setup has been downgraded.

I even considered moving my listening off my main mac and getting a mini to use with snow lep so I can upgrade to Lion and beyond on my main mac. But what happens once iTunes no longer supports snow lep? Then I'll have to use old versions of iTunes as well. It's maddening to be sure. Hopefully Apple will fix audio in the upcoming Mountain Lion. 

post #462 of 661

A few developers have recently reported Mountain Lion handles/does audio better than Lion. The developer of the app BitPerfect was the last one I heard spread promise for the new Cat.

post #463 of 661

That's good news!

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A few developers have recently reported Mountain Lion handles/does audio better than Lion. The developer of the app BitPerfect was the last one I heard spread promise for the new Cat.

post #464 of 661
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That's good news!

 

A few times a season, perhaps, I'll log in at Apple's Developer Connection site and peruse a bit. I've downloaded some basic tools in the past, but every time I raise the necessary $99 fee, it gets diverted to tubes or some other audio related purchase. 

 

Soon, I'm just gonna pay it so I can play around some... who doesn't like to play around?

post #465 of 661
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With my setup I find there's nothing that compares to Amarra's tonally rich sound. I wish it weren't true as I find Amarra's license issues and overall bugginess frustrating enough to dump if I could find something comparable. I've tried SimpleMusic, Audirvanna, bitperfect, Fidelia, etc. All of them fell way short of Amarra.

 

I agree with this completely.  Exactly my experience.  Bugginess and all.  But yes, the richness is the best thing.  I do think A+ is excellent however, as is Fidelia with the proper settings.

 

But dude, they dropped the price of Amarra from $700 to $189?

 

When did that happen?!?  

 

And Amarra Hifi is $49?  What is that?

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