Amp3 - Page 61

cool, thanks. they do look like it.

guess i'll have to keep looking for something else to pair amp3 with - i do need good isolation.

Just want to say that my one week old AMP3 is for sale. Has nothing to do with the SQ at all, which I found amazing w/ my RE0.. except for the hiss. I just realized most of my listening gets done at home/on my desktop setup. So as much as I hate to, I have to clear up funds to upgrade my main rig.

Understand. Oddly enough, to me the Amp3 IS my home rig since I have no other home rig to speak of.

[QUOTE=tstarn06;5954706]Understand. Oddly enough, to me the Amp3 IS my home rig since I have no other home rig to speak of.[/QUOTE]

Me too. AMP3 seems the all-purposed player to me. It is so convenience to bring with me to anywhere, on the go, gym and at home, even in the bedroom. It is available at any time when i need it. So i almost forget other players for it's superior sound quality.

It is my supposition that within the near future, Hisoundaudio products will be the standard against which all other portable devices will be measured.

Strong words, but I definitely believe if this is just the start, then the sky's the limit.

If only they can provide opamp rolling too.

I can about guarantee that will not happen.

My impression of the different stages of the AMP3, so far, is that they are carefully designed to all work together. I'm not sure how successful it would be to break into its end-to-end (digital transport-through-headphone jack) processing to try to tweak at one point in a well-designed and globally optimized overall system. I like opamp-rolling as a way to adjust the sound of a unit to my own gear and tastes. My own experiences, so far, trying to use sub-ranges of the AMP3 end-to-end processing have not been terribly satisfying. This is why I'm forming an understanding that all of the stages of the AMP3 have been pretty-well optimized for each other and, as such, not as tweakable with satisfying result. I would welcome to be shown to be mistaken about that, though. I mean, really, who doesn't like something really delicious, the flavor of which can be adjusted to one's individual tastes and changing moods (without diminishing its underlying savor)?

And as long as we're giving our wish list items:

1) An interface which seems more consistent and intuitive.
a) When playing a song, I'd like to pop back up to the album (or folder) level to select another song at that level, rather than to hold the play/pause button and pop-up to a high-up level where I have to scroll through the list of albums/folders again. BTW, is there a way that I've missed to do this?
b) There ARE contexts where I can hit the left-arrow key to pop-up a level.
In Play mode, the left-arrow key means back one track, so I realize that
can't be used there.
My tiny Sony player has a dedicated "universal pop-up one level" button.
I use it a LOT. Adding a button on a small pcb can be a bear, I realize. But so is scrolling through an 8GB sdhc card's worth of albums or folders to get back to a folder/album just to select another song within it. (OK, everyone at once, "Poor baby!")
So, what easy way is there already to do this that I've missed because I've latched too quickly onto the first way I blundered onto?

2) A continuous volume adjustment. Yes, a knob controlling an analog potentiometer to select volume. Stepped volume control (even using very nice DACT attenuators) is just not satisfying to my ear. What sort of saves the AMP3 in this regard is that the closer to "live"-sounding a sound is, the less picky my ears get about adjusting the level of sonic events so exactly to the levels of the threshholds that seem to be built into my ears. I'm able to "live with" the digital, stepped volume control in the AMP3 because of how "live" the AMP3 sounds to my ear. Long term, I seem to only be really happy with continuous volume adjustment, coupled with a good enough potentiometer to enable fine enough adjustments to call the volume adjustment continuous. The TTVJ Portable Millet, RWA SR-71A, D10 all have such "good enough" potentiometers to satisfy "El Exigente" here. And it won't do to connect a continuously turning knob to a digitally-stepped underlying mechanism. That's just cheesy.

But these are all icing on an already really delicious pound cake, with headphone changes to adjust the final delivered sound as ice cream on top.

Well, without a doubt, the AMP3 user-interface is not one of the strong suites of the player. I think you have probably figured out about all that it is capable of doing.

Some of the software issues (bugs) will be addressed in the future, but I don't know how much effort will be devoted to perfecting an interface that would be considered a "be all/do all". I think, realistically, that we can expect to see Hisoundaudio devote even more attention and efforts to the SQ of their players.

1) I'm still hoping for a response from someone to the effect: "there IS an easier way to navigate one up from track/file playing to album/folder. It's ...". Of course, the "..." would be filled in with the button-press sequence of how to do it.

2) What is realistic is what I'd rather get. I'd WAY rather get modest cleanup of the user-interface with most efforts going into SQ rather than hisoundaudio getting diverted into putting lots of effort into the user-interface at the expense of advances in the SQ. (Note: I did say that I want SOME cleanup of the user-interface, just not for it to distract from what should be this company's focus, advances in the SQ of their player(s) - AMP3 and Master(sends chills up my spine wondering what that will sound like) ).

speaking of attenuators.

i have Head-Direct's 75 Ohm cable and Shure's adjustable "volume control" attenuator (the old one). not really certain what max. resistance Shure has; if I had to guess, probably up to 250-300 Ohm.

Shure attenuator seems to do better with amp3. my triple.fi's sound "dead" with Head-Direct's cable; with Shure's - pretty nice. Which is surprising, considering its wimpy cable and connectors.

HI，I want to know, have you ever listen to AMP3? if you have, maybe you will think the opamp rolling is not the priority for AMP3.

I can understand one's habit is hard to be changed including me. At the begining, I also didn't use to the NONe-EQ DAP. Now, I like the simple operation player and think if there is an EQ, that will be not AMP3, the same to rolling opamp, I should think.

Or ask Hisoundaudio to launch a DIY AMP3 version? HAHAHA.

well.. 61 pages of reading and you guys have convinced me! must be the fastest purchase I've ever made. now just waiting for it to ship! i wanted a black one.. but it doesn't look like they have it. hmm.

@nukaidee: Welcome, be prepared to wear a perma-smile!

On the op amp rolling. IMO there are both benefits and also issues with allowing opamp rolling. I can see where rolling might help to achieve the sound signature you want and match all your headphones. But a well designed amp is designed around the opamp (at least from what I know), so changing that may be a detriment unless a low peforming opamp is used.

So if a low performing opamp is used, you have to upgrade it to get great sound, right? And spend more money, possibly a lot more trying different opamps. I do have an opamp rollable sound card which did come with cheap opamps, so any high quality opamp is going to be an upgrade. I did try 8 different opamps, burning them in, then comparing them. Talk about time consuming! Now I have a bunch of opamps sitting in my drawer! I actually have some still in a vacuum sealed bag I haven't even opened since I really like my current opamp choices!

How about current amps with rollable opamps? They sound good with the stock opamps, but people talk about better sound with different opamps. Personally, I prefer just to have the amp configured for the best sound without me spending time and money trying to figure out what is the best in the expensive amp I just bought!

Just my 0.02