Beresford TC-7520 DAC - Page 4

Since you just joined, I'm going to assume you don't know what happened. And, even when you do, you still might feel the way you do.

That said, I'll never transact with the guy or his company either.

Hey hey, I got me some matches and a truck load of firebrands

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Using word "genetically" is very smart and stupid at the same time as it means nothing. Both designs share the same DAC chip but for me the difference is say two classes. As far as I could read, the DACMagic was something slightly better than the TC-7510. Regarding the noodle DAC - you are right. You can modify it to very high levels, far beyond what could be obtained by following the Noodle DAC thread.
I would never like to live in a country where you start with the blame and the insulted person has to prove the blame is false. Is it somewhere around you?
It looks like you showed incorrect pictures to prove your false statements. The PCB says TC-7510. Where is the daughter USB card in your picture(s)? Is this the engineering accuracy that you require from others? Maybe you'd start talking about ethics? LOL. If the TC-7520 sounded worse than the stock noodle DAC it means you used pretty crappy digital transport. The stock noodle DAC is hardly around the TC-7510.

i believe everyone deserves a second chance. we are all human beings after all. yes what he did was wrong, but a good product should not go to waste.

also, it may seem like many new posters are shilling. but please let the mods do their job and identify the shillers. i have belief in our judicial system; "innocent until proven guilty".

I think that if the shilling stops, I'll start considering the products, but it still looks to me like there's some shilling happening, and I want to be totally sure that he has stopped before I contemplate whether to forgive him for this whole thing.

This reply might be a bit late but, why don't you guys that are bashing the beresford tc7520 just try it and see for yourselves. there's like a 1 month trial period on it. if you don't like it, the worst that could happen is you'll lose some money shipping it back to beresford. you guys afraid you might like it or somethin?

I don't think you TRULY get it

everyone here feels deceived and misled by Stanley aka ********* Beresford and no amount of auditioning or first hand accounts are going to change that!

that being said, I actually listened to it and thought it was a nice DAC (not mind blowing, but nice), but I'd rather donate my money to a "company" or "person" who's more honest with the product he/she or they sells.

I hope your dog will keep his Metronome C1A anyway.

i recently bought the D10 for my laptop and on the go. honestly, i really like them both and i would put them in the same league. i am really impressed by the D10, i find that it has incredible synergy with the RS1i and K701. the dac section is incredibly detailed. the amp section on both is very nice as well and i would say that it competes with sub $500 amps out there, but i feel that it drives lower impedance phones better and doesn't have quite enough juice to power higher impedance cans like the HD650.

the D10 is a mini monster rig. the sound is on the warmer side of neutral. there is something about the sound that makes it sound sweet, reminds me a lot like the DLIII. it competes with my main rig when listening to K701 and RS1i. it is definitely one of the best purchases i ever made. advantage D10 is that it's portable and you can use it as a stand alone dac or amp.

the Beresford sound is different from the D10 in that it sounds more analog, vinyl-like. not as detailed as the D10, but still very musical and enjoyable. definitely warmer in the midrange and puts a smoothness to the sound that is real pleasant which flows naturally and goes real easy on your ears. it gets along very well with Grado phones. advantage Beresford is that it has 2 digital coax inputs and also a variable output, so it's probably better for use as a desktop or speaker rig.

Roker, I think TLY does get it. He/she's simply making a distinction that some of us fail to make. That is, the TC75XX and Beresford are actually not one and the same. One is a DAC/amp, and the other is a person. They are not only different, but they are also not equal. Beresford, the man, may be guilty of unfair business practices, but the DAC is, to belabor the obvious, not human and incapable of deception. In short, the DAC is what it is, irrespective of the man.

We can and should judge the DAC separately from the man, on its own merits. This is TLY's point. I think you'd agree, too, that this is fair.

I have a TC7510, too, which I proudly display in my signature. Apart from the fact that I bought it from Beresford, it's a terrific little DAC that has never disappointed me for the uses I put it to. I had no idea of the man's unethical behavior on Head-fi, and I applaud the moderators for the work they're doing to deal with this and similar transgressions.

But the DAC isn't less a performer because of one of its retailers.

Logically, this is guilt by association. The danger is that we condemn the innocent simply because they happen to be associated in some way with the guilty. This would be tantamount to destroying the criminal's $100 million yacht in the belief that it, too, is bad because it belongs to him. Or to condemn the criminal's 5-year-old daughter and her golden retriever because they're from his family.

My apologies if I'm beating this one to death. I'm sure you get the point.

Innocent until proven Shillty
I think linuxworks has a point, I don't know much about electronics, but that connnector cable for a single layer of circuit board, and the long "traces" do hint at a lack of common sense. By putting the second half on top upside down he could cut casing costs, and it would take up less room. Slightly ridiculous.
I'd consider a D10 first, and I haven't even brought ethics into this yet.
What they were getting at is you don't encourage the business of somebody who is relying on unethical methods, unless you don't mind what they're getting up to.
I don't think choosing not to buy something from someone because you don't approve of them is the same as disapproving of someones children/pets because their parent/s is/are bad people.
Not everyone WILL bring ethics into their decision as to what DAC they buy, as they want the only discerning factor in amp choice to be the quality of the sound it gives.

Mr B causes a lot of fuss here, doesn't he.

I still have one and must say when I first used it with my mega-changers I got chills down my spine listening to Rumours the difference was that obvious. The dual optical inputs are inspired too, next DAC up for that is the Bryston at £2k, maybe having 600 discs available at the touch of a remote control button excludes me from being a true audiophile, but I love music and who is to say one persons rise in sound quality isn't equal to another's - each to their own budget, eh?.

As a first step into the underbelly of audio I haven't been dissapointed, now I am here, have some HF2's and may save up for something a little more high end, a great stepping stone.

Apart from say, the Quad CDP, which has 3 and is less than £1000?

There are no dual optical inputs on the 7520... two coax, one USB, one optical.