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post #9826 of 10370
I see. I am asking because I listen to pop/hip hop and generally Billboard mainstream a lot, and coming from the W3s I am worried that the bass may not be enough. Can anyone chime in?
post #9827 of 10370

It depends on if you want to hear the midbass as it was intended in the mix or not. If so, the 13s are that.

post #9828 of 10370

i'm pretty happy with the brainwavz b2 for now now, but more and more i just want to cut the chase and go straight for these, even though i know i have a lot of upgrading to do to get there (better DAC and amp to begin with).  is it a fool's errand to start saving for these now, or should i go for something (QUOTE) intermediate, like the UM3X?  i'd prefer a refined version of the same signature, maybe with tighter, deeper bass and less sibilance, but as good/hopefully quite better handling of detail.

 

lately every time i've heard about these i've been salivating (mostly at the premise of a b2 but somehow BETTER).

 


Edited by Rhymenoceros - 1/8/14 at 2:32pm
post #9829 of 10370
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Originally Posted by Rhymenoceros View Post
 

i'm pretty happy with the brainwavz b2 for now now, but more and more i just want to cut the chase and go straight for these, even though i know i have a lot of upgrading to do to get there (better DAC and amp to begin with).  is it a fool's errand to start saving for these now, or should i go for something (QUOTE) intermediate, like the UM3X?  i'd prefer a refined version of the same signature, maybe with tighter, deeper bass and less sibilance, but as good/hopefully quite better handling of detail.

 

lately every time i've heard about these i've been salivating (mostly at the premise of a b2 but somehow BETTER).

 

 

 

I would actually look into the UERM. That has a more neutral signature closer to what the B2 has. Also there is nothing wrong with going for these. I would get the iem first and then worry about the rest. It really doesn't take much to make a iem sound good. My customs sound great with my phone but improves as the source improves.

post #9830 of 10370
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Originally Posted by Bananaheadlin View Post

I see. I am asking because I listen to pop/hip hop and generally Billboard mainstream a lot, and coming from the W3s I am worried that the bass may not be enough. Can anyone chime in?

I'll say go for the 16s :)

post #9831 of 10370

I need a new cable for my JH13. Used it for 2 weeks so far so good except the plug on the stock cable is too short, can't plug into my phone without removing the phone case. I don't need special silver cables, just a stock cable with longer plug. Any recommendations?

post #9832 of 10370

The plugs are all the same length. You mean the plastic at the base of the plug is a hair wide for your case. Trim the case or the plug? You could also just replace the plug on the stock cable.

post #9833 of 10370
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I would actually look into the UERM. That has a more neutral signature closer to what the B2 has. Also there is nothing wrong with going for these. I would get the iem first and then worry about the rest. It really doesn't take much to make a iem sound good. My customs sound great with my phone but improves as the source improves.

 

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I would actually look into the UERM. That has a more neutral signature closer to what the B2 has. Also there is nothing wrong with going for these. I would get the iem first and then worry about the rest. It really doesn't take much to make a iem sound good. My customs sound great with my phone but improves as the source improves.

Agreed. I found the B2 a bit etched overall but maybe I didn't find the right tips. I suspect the UERM smoother and with better bass. Joker was also a fan of the B2 and thinks the jh13 is tops of what he's reviewed at the moment but it has more low bass than the UERM which measures flat there. I personally think a rising bass below 100hz in an IEM sounds more like the genuine thing in free air but there's not a consensus. Hard to go wrong with either. 


Edited by goodvibes - 1/9/14 at 4:16am
post #9834 of 10370

can anybody compare the sound quality of stock AK120 vs RWAK120 with JH13Pro? I've just ordered the JH13Pro (really stoked!!), and was wondering if it was worth upgrading my current stock AK120. Would appreciate any feedback. Many thanks in advance!

post #9835 of 10370
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can anybody compare the sound quality of stock AK120 vs RWAK120 with JH13Pro? I've just ordered the JH13Pro (really stoked!!), and was wondering if it was worth upgrading my current stock AK120. Would appreciate any feedback. Many thanks in advance!

 

I can't speak for the AK120, but the RWAK100 was definitely an upgrade over the AK100 when driving the JH13 Pro. The AK100 had a stronger bass, but it was bassy and muddy in comparison to the RWAK100's controlled, tight bass.

post #9836 of 10370
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I can't speak for the AK120, but the RWAK100 was definitely an upgrade over the AK100 when driving the JH13 Pro. The AK100 had a stronger bass, but it was bassy and muddy in comparison to the RWAK100's controlled, tight bass.

 

Thanks songmic for those impressions re: RWAK100 vs AK100. If there was a similar dramatic improvement with the RWAK120 mod, I would definitely go for it. But there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that, so I'm still quite reluctant to go ahead with it..   

post #9837 of 10370

In IEMs the output impedance effects frequency response.  Which is to say the change can be good or bad depending on the starting point.  I don't believe anyone has measured the fp models so it is hard to say where the changes would be.  That said, in the AK100 case you go from 20ohm to 1ohm.  For the AK120 from 3 to 1.  Wouldn't expect much change.  Given the comment about muddy bass though you could guess the fp series has its impedance rise in the bass area so a high output impedance is bumping that up or dropping the presence region looking at it the other way.

post #9838 of 10370
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In IEMs the output impedance effects frequency response.  Which is to say the change can be good or bad depending on the starting point.  I don't believe anyone has measured the fp models so it is hard to say where the changes would be.  That said, in the AK100 case you go from 20ohm to 1ohm.  For the AK120 from 3 to 1.  Wouldn't expect much change.  Given the comment about muddy bass though you could guess the fp series has its impedance rise in the bass area so a high output impedance is bumping that up or dropping the presence region looking at it the other way.

 

Thanks heaps Solude, that certainly makes sense. No wonder the RWAK100 mod seems to be a more popular mod than the RWAK120 mod on head-fi. The only favourable review of RWAK120 (compared directly to AK120) was by 24bit, who was using JH16Pro and found a dramatic difference. This was what got me wondering about RWAK120 vs AK120 for JH13Pro in the first place. 

post #9839 of 10370
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post
 

In IEMs the output impedance effects frequency response.  Which is to say the change can be good or bad depending on the starting point.  I don't believe anyone has measured the fp models so it is hard to say where the changes would be.  That said, in the AK100 case you go from 20ohm to 1ohm.  For the AK120 from 3 to 1.  Wouldn't expect much change.  Given the comment about muddy bass though you could guess the fp series has its impedance rise in the bass area so a high output impedance is bumping that up or dropping the presence region looking at it the other way.

 

I didn't know the AK120 had an output impedance of 3 ohms. In that case, the RW mod may not be so necessary.

post #9840 of 10370
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Thanks heaps Solude, that certainly makes sense. No wonder the RWAK100 mod seems to be a more popular mod than the RWAK120 mod on head-fi. The only favourable review of RWAK120 (compared directly to AK120) was by 24bit, who was using JH16Pro and found a dramatic difference. This was what got me wondering about RWAK120 vs AK120 for JH13Pro in the first place. 

The difference is that the RWAK120 is an upgraded DAC and it's line out only so needs a separate amp. It's reportedly fab but a completely different animal than an all in one DAP. 3 ohms should be no problem and you'll see Jerry using an stock AK120 so he obviously feels the same.

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