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post #9121 of 10368

Just wondering if anybody knows of good portable amps or DAPs that can provide more warmth and slight midrange boost?

post #9122 of 10368

From my experience, and I have had plenty with JH customer service, I have not once had a rude or even delayed response from Brittany or anyone else there.  They are not a big company.  I think they are less than 20 employees.  My emails and questions have always been responded too within 24 hours.  I had 3 refits and I even changed my shell and logo twice and I think the longest it took for any one of those repairs took 4-5 days including the shipping to and fro.  The only 2 times I called JH, Brittany returned my call same day and I am hardly a big wig with them.  I only have a single pair of 13s.  Again, maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones but I doubt it.  Maybe the old saying "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" might apply to a bad experience with JH?  Nasty in, nasty out.

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Originally Posted by justie View Post

Just wondering if anybody knows of good portable amps or DAPs that can provide more warmth and slight midrange boost?

Try running them hard for a few days. Not dangerous loud but clearly louder than you can listen in normal situations. Mine got a little warmer and more color in the mids. I suspect the dual drivers in every range just takes more time and/or force to fully run in.  

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Originally Posted by Alias Gu View Post

Just decide to go for JH13pro Freqphase.

But i wonder how much is improved under Freqphase. 

 

From what I've read, and the conversations I've had with people who have tried both, the difference is quite noticeable.

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Head-fi'er Uchihaitachi heard demos of both the older Jh13 and the Jh13FP blind, not knowing which was which, and he couldn't tell the difference.

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Head-fi'er Uchihaitachi heard demos of both the older Jh13 and the Jh13FP blind, not knowing which was which, and he couldn't tell the difference.

Hmm..

 

color me unsurprised.

post #9127 of 10368

Last two weeks, i have asked a lot of people about new JH13Pro FP. They all had very different answers. From friends of mine, i heard more negative comment on JH13Pro FP, which is described as "nothing changed" and "boring." From the reviewers of Innerfedility, i heard more positive praises on it. Some reviewers, i guess, just got hypnotized by JH13Pro FP.

 

I have UM Miracles right now, it brings me the highest and the most enjoyable sound quality since hifi fascinated me. However, i really want to listen to some improvements in other CIEMs, not necessarily better, but better in other ways.

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I have both models and to my ears there are noticeable differences.

 

The first thing I noticed was that the sound stage is bigger and deeper and separation\positioning of instruments is much more obvious. The FP have much better resolution of small details in tracks - things that were there but barely noticeable with the other CIEMs or were lost in the mix, stand out more now.

Just yesterday I noticed in a track I have listened to a lot, that there is a vibration effect in the bass guitar which I never picked up on before. Another track - a live one, the singer talks to the band and you can hear the obvious change in his voice as he turns his head away from the mike....but more incredible for me, is that one of the band set back to the left answers back and taps the body of his acoustic guitar faintly - I never heard\noticed that before now.

 

The FP also sound "smoother"- hard to explain what I mean...some tracks have a rough and harsh edge to them in the higher frequencies - the FP seems to have smoothed out that harshness.

 

Bass was always an area I felt the original JH13 were often lacking in, making them sound thin and weedy at times. The bass has changed too now. They are not bass heavy like the JH16, but if there is bass in the track, it has a lot more weight and slam now.


Edited by kryten123 - 5/14/13 at 7:38am
post #9129 of 10368
Don't trust innerfidelity, trust your ears. My experience with both jh13 and westone es5 are quite different from Tyll's. I can't believe he called the es5 a punchy iem as mine certainly has much less bass impact and attack and punchiness.
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

Head-fi'er Uchihaitachi heard demos of both the older Jh13 and the Jh13FP blind, not knowing which was which, and he couldn't tell the difference.

 

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Don't trust innerfidelity, trust your ears. My experience with both jh13 and westone es5 are quite different from Tyll's. I can't believe he called the es5 a punchy iem as mine certainly has much less bass impact and attack and punchiness.

So, we should ignore Tyll, Joker, Project86, Guttenburg and Jude because a couple of posters like something else better or can't hear a difference. Got it. blink.gif

 

Of course someone should attempt to audition and trust their own ears as there is no earphone for everyone but the amount of agreement here among those whose reputation is tied to their opinion is staggering. Nice job of trying to dismiss it. It's not about if we agree. It's about a cross reference of unbiased, extremely experienced reviewers. We can still personally disagree but that only makes one right for oneself.

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

 

So, we should ignore Tyll, Joker, Project86, Guttenburg and Jude because a couple of posters like something else better or can't hear a difference. Got it. blink.gif

 

Of course someone should attempt to audition and trust their own ears as there is no earphone for everyone but the amount of agreement here among those whose reputation is tied to their opinion is staggering. Nice job of trying to dismiss it. It's not about if we agree. It's about a cross reference of unbiased, extremely experienced reviewers. We can still personally disagree but that only makes one right for oneself.


No, I don't believe anyone here would tell you to ignore those members. Just remember who you are hearing what from. And then you must make up your own mind. I haven't gone custom and probably won't, as all of my IEM use is while I am out and about and my ER4p and UM2's work fine for me. I never felt the need to own a CIEM with 16 or 20 BA drivers.

 

Also, remember, people have their own agendas. Some want you to buy their product. Others may want to help that individual sell that product. Ultimately, it's your dollars so you must make an informed decision. The market has gotten so competitive lately that I would look at the smaller companies. Remember JHA was once a small company as well. And be ready, once you pull the trigger, to send them back if the fit isn't perfect.

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It wasn't directed at you and that's exactly what's implied. Why come into a custom thread with warnings on fit that we're all familiar with after 600 pages, LOL and talk about 16-20 driver IEMs that don't exist? Have you had a custom fit issue?

 

It just shows your personal bias and why emphasize looking at smaller companies? Everything should be in play. I'm glad that you are happy with your personal choices. I wouldn't begin to tell you that you need to like what I do or what price range you should limit yourself to. You did a similar post in the Shure thread that is not a custom and only has 4 drivers. What's good for you is good for you. It doesn't necessarily relate to other's needs.

 

If this was meant to be a diminishing returns post, we're aware and already made that choice.


Edited by goodvibes - 5/14/13 at 6:39am
post #9133 of 10368
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

 

So, we should ignore Tyll, Joker, Project86, Guttenburg and Jude because a couple of posters like something else better or can't hear a difference. Got it. blink.gif

 

Of course someone should attempt to audition and trust their own ears as there is no earphone for everyone but the amount of agreement here among those whose reputation is tied to their opinion is staggering. Nice job of trying to dismiss it. It's not about if we agree. It's about a cross reference of unbiased, extremely experienced reviewers. We can still personally disagree but that only makes one right for oneself.

I trust joker and his impression. Steve Guttenberg is complete joke in terms of hearphone review. I have kept in track with some of his reviews when I try to purchase my fist CIEMs. He might be good at his speaker review thing, but headphone? plz no... me and my friend always make fun of his reviews and how ridiculous they can be... He can be inconsistent on his own opinions on the same headphone sometimes, which is the most funny thing.

I enjoy Tyll's videos and respect his measurement, but not on this one.

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Trust isn't qualified. You disagree.with Tyll and that's fine. I may disagree with his overall rankings as well but still trust him and resect his opinion.
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I have found over the years that there are those who i share similar likings in sound and those i don't share or maybe don't trust.  When looking for new toys I look for posts of those whom i share and disregard those i don't......quietly.rolleyes.gif

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