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post #4516 of 10370
matt, those are some sweet looking customs. Man, i wonder if anyone could help me come up with a design for my new customs next month.
post #4517 of 10370

Null Audio Lune replacement cable review

I received this cable about 2 months ago and really improved my UE10. I was reading Jamoto discussion about making a replacement cable from tone arm cable and he was impressed with the improvements. I have not played the ue10 much since I got my JH13 and my iNCREDIBLEEARS and never thought about the cable being very very skinny. I bet this stuff is tone arm cable. BTW both cans come with the same stock cable.
Well anyway I took it off the UE10 and A/B it to the cable on the JH13 and iEARS and until I find something better it is going to replace the stock cable on both. For me this is the first time I listened to these custom monitors and the were actually more competitive with my modified over the ear cans. It was like putting better tires on a high performance car. They both just opened up and sounder less restricted. The JH13 sounded so much better that when I went back to the stock cable I saw a reduction in bass and a tinier high was apparent that I do not notice before but found it annoying now that I noticed it. The bass on the JH13 was more rounded and deeper. Nobody would be disappointed with the sonic improvements the Lune series offers. The cable allowed me to get lost in the music and my awareness of sounds was very much improved.
The build quality is very professional and the plug is the best I have ever seen. I had them put a black mono filament sleeve on mine and I feel it was $150 good investment for the cable. IMO Jerry should chuck the stock cable and cut a deal with Null Audio. I for one will not go back to stock. The stock cable is now on the UE10 and they probably won't get to much play.
After hearing the improvements the Lune made I have a bit more respect and interest in their Piccolo Crystal cable. Which sells for a lot of money. It was reviewed a a few days ago and some of the claims seemed a little outrageous but who knows it might just have some merit. Best regards TheSatelliteGuy. Do not call as I have my IEM glued in my ears http://www.head-fi.org/forums/images...mg/atsmile.gif
post #4518 of 10370
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post
yeah well your LOD will be either 22uf or 47uf; the 2 BG NXHiQ caps large enough in value, but small enough in size to fit in an LOD. also the same type installed in ALO and the RWA 4g IMOD. if lucky there may just be what is called intermodulation in the bass, a form of distortion, either way the bass will not pass through untouched. VCAPs are generally 3.3, 4.7uf so nowhere near enough for a 10k pot. most RSA, headamp and many other portables utilize a 50k pot, so no problem there, but digital pots such as those used in the slim and shadow are not available in many sizes and so 10k was chosen for pico slim; not sure about the shadow. Justin confirmed this nwhen i was talking with him about the specs of the slim. I suppose its really not so much of an issue considering the main purpose of these amps is for an uber portable rig, rather than just making a larger rig smaller. so those wanting to use IMOD with them will have to either custom make a dock, add some BG to the VCAP in parallel, or just use a blackgate type LOD. the D10 also uses a 10k pot, so I dont use my duelund or any of my curent film caps docks with that, only using them with Lisa III and my diablo. the original pico had a 10k pot, but by the time I got mine it was a 50k pot.

sorry for the OT, but back on topic; I could use some feedback from those who are using JH13 with their home rigs in my thread about the phenomenon of customs invading the space formerly held by high end fullsize cans and the steps you are taking to tune your rigs to suit (dac/amp/PSU etc). i'm looking at my next amp or even pre-amp purchase to drive them in conjunction with my Buffalo32; as well as tweaks to power supply. havent had too much 'on point' posts in there so far. there has been a few, but I really think its an interesting topic. i hope you guys feel the same.
Interesting how over time I settled on using either my P-51/Predator or XM5 currently with the PVcap dock, and not the D10 or Pico for when I would take the Pvcap dock portable.

However, most of the time the Pvcap dock is only used to feed a desktop amp, and I use only the small portable Piccolino LOD for portable ever since CanJam. You are right, and the target audience wont be using the Slim to make a large iMod/Vcap dock into a slightly smaller rig.

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Originally Posted by barbes View Post
I've got the same iMod/piccolino dock you have. Can you say how the Slim sounds compared to an iQube?

Thanks.
At CanJam I was using my P-51 with iMod and compared it to the Pico Slim and original Pico using my ES3X IEM. I looked Justin in the face and joked, "Wow, the new Pico Slim sounds warmer like a Mustang now, and I like it better now." Justin didn't know I was teasing him and nodded all serious. So for a while I worried I'd really upset him, and later made it clear to him that I wasn't saying he'd copied the RSA sound. It still sounds like a Pico, but with the areas that I complained about in the original being fixed. I did not get to test the power levels with full size phones, but that is not the target audience for the Slim - this one is really meant to be small and portable and used with small portable phones.

But the point I was making to him was that I like the Pico Slim more than the original, and found that in addition to being warmer it was smoother than the P-51 with my ES3X (which is more aggressive and energetic but in a good way). So, for the ES3X I liked the Pico Slim more. I didn't try the Slim with any other IEM. And I have never heard an iQube which I have avoided because descriptions make me fear it would be too cold sounding. (I've listened to HiFlight's "iQube clone" opamps for the D10 and didn't like it)
post #4519 of 10370
Got bad news for you...it's iNCREDIBLEeARS! but yea anyways...not that. But Null Audio is making an update to their Lune Series, and will be using better material making it even softer and the connectors and prongs will be better. Not sure when it is going to be released, but the update/upgrade is confirmed.
post #4520 of 10370
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Originally Posted by TheSatelliteGuy View Post
I received this cable about 2 months ago and really improved my UE10. I was reading Jamoto discussion about making a replacement cable from tone arm cable and he was impressed with the improvements. I have not played the ue10 much since I got my JH13 and my iNCREDIBLEEARS and never thought about the cable being very very skinny. I bet this stuff is tone arm cable. BTW both cans come with the same stock cable.
Well anyway I took it off the UE10 and A/B it to the cable on the JH13 and iEARS and until I find something better it is going to replace the stock cable on both. For me this is the first time I listened to these custom monitors and the were actually more competitive with my modified over the ear cans. It was like putting better tires on a high performance car. They both just opened up and sounder less restricted. The JH13 sounded so much better that when I went back to the stock cable I saw a reduction in bass and a tinier high was apparent that I do not notice before but found it annoying now that I noticed it. The bass on the JH13 was more rounded and deeper. Nobody would be disappointed with the sonic improvements the Lune series offers. The cable allowed me to get lost in the music and my awareness of sounds was very much improved.
The build quality is very professional and the plug is the best I have ever seen. I had them put a black mono filament sleeve on mine and I feel it was $150 good investment for the cable. IMO Jerry should chuck the stock cable and cut a deal with Null Audio. I for one will not go back to stock. The stock cable is now on the UE10 and they probably won't get to much play.
After hearing the improvements the Lune made I have a bit more respect and interest in their Piccolo Crystal cable. Which sells for a lot of money. It was reviewed a a few days ago and some of the claims seemed a little outrageous but who knows it might just have some merit. Best regards TheSatelliteGuy. Do not call as I have my IEM glued in my ears http://www.head-fi.org/forums/images...mg/atsmile.gif
I have a Livewires cable made from Cardas 33g silver tonearm cable, and for the first 100 hours or so it was bright and harsh, but with burn-in it transformed into an very nice transparent cable. It seems strange to burn-in cables, but every APS V3 cable I have gotten has also been bright and not very smooth until after 80-100 hours are put on it. This one is too flimsy to take outside with me (despite the shoelace nylon sleeve), but I was using it at my laptop/DAC/amp rig for a while.

Now that my JH13Pro with stock cable sound better than the LW/Cardas and I'm thinking about converting the cable to use with the JH13Pro. I have a thicker SPC cable I can use with my Livewires so I wont miss using this one on them, although the SPC is not as transparent and detailed sounding. However, you have introduced a new option with this new Null Audio cable, so I might check that out someday instead. I'd go with a Piccolino IEM cable if they weren't so crazy expensive.
post #4521 of 10370
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Interesting how over time I settled on using either my P-51/Predator or XM5 currently with the PVcap dock, and not the D10 or Pico for when I would take the Pvcap dock portable.

However, most of the time the Pvcap dock is only used to feed a desktop amp, and I use only the small portable Piccolino LOD for portable ever since CanJam. You are right, and the target audience wont be using the Slim to make a large iMod/Vcap dock into a slightly smaller rig.



At CanJam I was using my P-51 with iMod and compared it to the Pico Slim and original Pico using my ES3X IEM. I looked Justin in the face and joked, "Wow, the new Pico Slim sounds warmer like a Mustang now, and I like it better now." Justin didn't know I was teasing him and nodded all serious. So for a while I worried I'd really upset him, and later made it clear to him that I wasn't saying he'd copied the RSA sound. It still sounds like a Pico, but with the areas that I complained about in the original being fixed. I did not get to test the power levels with full size phones, but that is not the target audience for the Slim - this one is really meant to be small and portable and used with small portable phones.

But the point I was making to him was that I like the Pico Slim more than the original, and found that in addition to being warmer it was smoother than the P-51 with my ES3X (which is more aggressive and energetic but in a good way). So, for the ES3X I liked the Pico Slim more. I didn't try the Slim with any other IEM. And I have never heard an iQube which I have avoided because descriptions make me fear it would be too cold sounding. (I've listened to HiFlight's "iQube clone" opamps for the D10 and didn't like it)
Thank you.
post #4522 of 10370
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I have a Livewires cable made from Cardas 33g silver tonearm cable, and for the first 100 hours or so it was bright and harsh, but with burn-in it transformed into an very nice transparent cable. It seems strange to burn-in cables, but every APS V3 cable I have gotten has also been bright and not very smooth until after 80-100 hours are put on it. This one is too flimsy to take outside with me (despite the shoelace nylon sleeve), but I was using it at my laptop/DAC/amp rig for a while.

Now that my JH13Pro with stock cable sound better than the LW/Cardas and I'm thinking about converting the cable to use with the JH13Pro. I have a thicker SPC cable I can use with my Livewires so I wont miss using this one on them, although the SPC is not as transparent and detailed sounding. However, you have introduced a new option with this new Null Audio cable, so I might check that out someday instead. I'd go with a Piccolino IEM cable if they weren't so crazy expensive.
I emailed Null Audio today and suggested he become a sponsor on Head-Fi. It would be a win win situation. Your 990 with silver recable were one of my first modified cans. Still own them. I am not a DIYer so a lot of what your are saying I am not familiar with but I will keep reading. I am close to buying the Piccolo but I might have to sell a car first to afford it.
post #4523 of 10370
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I have a Livewires cable made from Cardas 33g silver tonearm cable, and for the first 100 hours or so it was bright and harsh, but with burn-in it transformed into an very nice transparent cable. It seems strange to burn-in cables, but every APS V3 cable I have gotten has also been bright and not very smooth until after 80-100 hours are put on it. This one is too flimsy to take outside with me (despite the shoelace nylon sleeve), but I was using it at my laptop/DAC/amp rig for a while.

Now that my JH13Pro with stock cable sound better than the LW/Cardas and I'm thinking about converting the cable to use with the JH13Pro. I have a thicker SPC cable I can use with my Livewires so I wont miss using this one on them, although the SPC is not as transparent and detailed sounding. However, you have introduced a new option with this new Null Audio cable, so I might check that out someday instead. I'd go with a Piccolino IEM cable if they weren't so crazy expensive.
I emailed Null Audio today and suggested he become a sponsor on Head-Fi. It would be a win win situation. Your 990 with silver recable were one of my first modified cans. Still own them. I am not a DTYer so a lot of what your are saying I am not familiar with but I will keep reading. I am close to buying the Piccolo but I might have to sell a car first to afford it.
post #4524 of 10370
selling a car for earphones........a new level of obsession..
post #4525 of 10370
I'm really sorry for double posting. My dumb mobile web browser first told me i couldn't post then it posted 2
post #4526 of 10370
I'm not sure if this would work, this idea just suddenly came out of my mind. I would like to see what others think of it if it is feasible or not.

When the hard acryllic shells are made, can we request for them to make it 1mm less thick, then we can coat it with 1mm thickness of soft silicon gel so that the exterior would be like the sensaphonics 2x-s. And the sound quality will not be dampened because essentially the internals are still covered by hard acryllic.

From what I have read here so far, the sensa 2x-s seems to be the most comfortable custom because of its soft silicon shell.

So do you guys think that this would actually improve comfort and isolation? Would like to hear opinions

Cheers
post #4527 of 10370
It's been a bit since I got my JH13s, but as I lost my camera, I had to wait for a friend to come along with one. Here are my JH13s along with an old nano and the pico slim prototype. Pics by Duggeh at the Kure Beach, NC meet.




post #4528 of 10370
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post
yeah well your LOD will be either 22uf or 47uf; the 2 BG NXHiQ caps large enough in value, but small enough in size to fit in an LOD. also the same type installed in ALO and the RWA 4g IMOD. if lucky there may just be what is called intermodulation in the bass, a form of distortion, either way the bass will not pass through untouched. VCAPs are generally 3.3, 4.7uf so nowhere near enough for a 10k pot. most RSA, headamp and many other portables utilize a 50k pot, so no problem there, but digital pots such as those used in the slim and shadow are not available in many sizes and so 10k was chosen for pico slim; not sure about the shadow. Justin confirmed this when i was talking with him about the specs of the slim. I suppose its really not so much of an issue considering the main purpose of these amps is for an uber portable rig, rather than just making a larger rig smaller. so those wanting to use IMOD with them will have to either custom make a dock, add some BG to the VCAP in parallel, or just use a blackgate type LOD. the D10 also uses a 10k pot, so I dont use my duelund or any of my curent film caps docks with that, only using them with Lisa III and my diablo. the original pico had a 10k pot, but by the time I got mine it was a 50k pot.
Sorry to remain off topic, but are you saying if you use the shadow (which I am planning on getting), the normal iMod LODs from ALO will not work with them? Do they come with the black gate?

On topic, I am getting my JH13s on wed and will report back. I have an imod on order as I had a 5.5g 80 gb ipod not being used and thought it was worth it. the JH13 with the predator and the imod should sound awesome.

Thanks!!
post #4529 of 10370
no, i'm saying that a VCAP or similar type film cap dock wont work *properly* the regular LOD type Blackgate LODs have much more capacitance (~4.7uf vs 22-47uf) so will work fine.

so if you want a VCAP to go with your IMOD, you must continue using your predator with JH13
post #4530 of 10370

It was a joke

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Originally Posted by chaosfayt View Post
selling a car for earphones........a new level of obsession..
I was thinking of exactly what you are expressing when I decided to say that. I have no car for sale. I was only indicating how much money that could be in a material thing. It is very relative. Some people on this forum have a bit a wealth and it would be a drop in the bucket for them. For others it is something to save for next year. What is cool is we are sharing our ideas freely helping others with their passion and passing on good info about a possibly very costly hobby.
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