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post #1951 of 10335
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Is there any way to protect the custom art from peeling off?
Clear acrylic paint might do the job. Just be careful not to overdo it.
post #1952 of 10335
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Yah, it wouldn't surprise me a bit that the JH better the ES3X in some way. I'm hypothesizing, but the multiplicity of drivers may contribute to extension and maybe resolution.
If the 10x3 is supposed to be the competitor to the ES3X then I can say that you're definitely right about the extension. The JH-13 has a more visceral impact to the bass and the soundstage also seems wider and more 3Dish.
post #1953 of 10335
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If the 10x3 is supposed to be the competitor to the ES3X then I can say that you're definitely right about the extension. The JH-13 has a more visceral impact to the bass and the soundstage also seems wider and more 3Dish.
And we're all still waiting (impatiently) on HPA's 3-way review!

EDIT: Larry, hope I'm not being a nag , 'cause we really do appreciate that you are doing the review (thrumming fingers on the desktop).
post #1954 of 10335
Go, HPA!
post #1955 of 10335
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Originally Posted by JaZZ View Post
I wonder what might be the difference between the JH 13 and universal IEMs of the likes of ER-4 and Audéo. My modified ER-4P and my Audéo – both exclusively used with the iAudio 7 and carefully equalized by its semi-parametric equalizer – leave barely any wishes to my ears.

What sort of improvement does the JH 13 provide, apart from a more even/extended frequency response? Higher resolution and detail? Less harmonic distortion?

BTW, what's the technical justification for a 3-way/6-driver IEM compared to a full-range balanced-armature driver design? (Maybe I should ask the developer; after all Etymotic Research denies a technical advantage, and I''m skeptical as well.)
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Jerry told me that using dual drivers for low/mid/high allows the 13 to output a smooth level without being taxed. This added horsepower combined with the new, faster armatures produces speed that I have yet to hear in any IEM or headphone. Soundstage and decay are also improved thanks to the "more parts doing less work" approach.

The bass response on these provides as visceral a punch as i could imagine would be possible for an IEM. I did a cross-genre listening session late last night and was amazed at how much thump these things could put out. And, for those with UE11 experience, this thump was crystal clear and clean without any bloat or muddiness. I was expecting to hear the speed of the transducers on the high end of the spectrum, but the bass (from mid-bass through the deepest lows) is FAST.

Now I need to do my research and figure out what portable amp will make up my high-end portable kit. The P-51 and Tomahawk are the early front-runners (I have always favored Ray's products) but I am dying to save size/space (but not $$$) with the Shadow...
post #1956 of 10335
the Shadow is not going to be ultra expensive from what I have seen it looks like Ray is going to market it somewhere between the price of the Tomahawk and the price of the Mustang
post #1957 of 10335
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Originally Posted by cmascatello View Post
Jerry told me that using dual drivers for low/mid/high allows the 13 to output a smooth level without being taxed. This added horsepower combined with the new, faster armatures produces speed that I have yet to hear in any IEM or headphone. Soundstage and decay are also improved thanks to the "more parts doing less work" approach.

The bass response on these provides as visceral a punch as i could imagine would be possible for an IEM. I did a cross-genre listening session late last night and was amazed at how much thump these things could put out. And, for those with UE11 experience, this thump was crystal clear and clean without any bloat or muddiness. I was expecting to hear the speed of the transducers on the high end of the spectrum, but the bass (from mid-bass through the deepest lows) is FAST.
Thanks! That sounds impressive. Now can you translate the «without being taxed» part? (My German-related right brain-half has some language difficulties here.)
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post #1958 of 10335
OK. I've been living with these for a week or so now. They're unbelievable.

I don't have the experience of a lot of you with a wide range of other 'phones. I've built myself a portable system that works for my needs - I travel constantly and wanted a rig I could drop in my briefcase and go with - so these replace my UE11s in that setup. My iMod has been in the shop, so so far I've been playing them through a Classic/iQube rig. It sounds massively better than the the iMod/iQube/UE11 did. This even though I nearly couldn't stand this rig before, with the Classic playing through amp and UE11s. I'm sort of glad I've had this enforced absence of the iMod; Vinnie has fixed it and sent it back, so now I have working it back into the rig to look forward to.

Like a lot of you, I went through a bunch of univerals before I went custom. I was shocked by how much better the UE11s were than my Shure 530s. If that gap, 530>UE11, was 1.0, then the gap UE11>JH13 is another .5 or .75.

I'm in a hotel room in London writing this (I may claim best mileage on my 13s; they've already gone Florida/LA/New York/London...). I've got my Classic on shuffle and it cued up a Dead song a minute ago, which sounded great and which I couldn't quite place. It turnd out to be a live cut I'd downloaded in some crappy format from a public sharing site; I'd stopped listening to the concert previously because it sounded terrible. Through the 13s it sounded fabulous.

Whole new world, folks.
post #1959 of 10335
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Thanks! That sounds impressive. Now can you translate the «without being taxed» part? (My German-related right brain-half has some language difficulties here.)
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"Without being taxed" = without working too hard. Imagine a jet flying with only one functioning engine instead of two...
post #1960 of 10335
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the Shadow is not going to be ultra expensive from what I have seen it looks like Ray is going to market it somewhere between the price of the Tomahawk and the price of the Mustang
I would love that to be the case. Can't wait for RSA to get that thing to market.
post #1961 of 10335
I think their goal was to maintain the quality of Mustang and the 71a shove it into a small chasis and give it a reasonable price for the more average consumer
post #1962 of 10335
same quality + smaller chasis usually = more expensive

but more on topic with the JH-13.. these things finally to me, justify the cost of Headphones... I originally got lured here on the premise that headphones give a better return on investment compared to speakers.. thats what's being touted all over the place here.. I'm sure you've heard it too... To get the same quality of sound from a speaker setup you have to spend 5x or 10x as much (to take into account room acoustics, etc.)

But personally.. I found that to be all bull.. My $1,500 setup which included the M^3 and RS-1 and the STX sounded about the same as my $600 speaker setup of STX and Audioengine A5. And I see people here who've spent close to $10,000 for a headphone setup and I can't help but think, that $10,000 would be better spent towards a speaker setup and would probably sound better

However the JH-13 finally for me define a worthwhile purchase... something that sounds unbelievable, far better then any speaker system (in its price range) and allows other benefits (portable, noise isolating, comfortable) without any of the drawbacks of headphones (ears warming up in summer, inability to move, comfort of having things on your head, etc.)
post #1963 of 10335
not necessarily....when Ray was using alps analog pots he was wasting a lot of them that he had to throw out that were not up to par. And also mustang vs 71a pretty much same level in quality and the mustang is much smaller and fairly significantly cheaper.
post #1964 of 10335
There are some seriously strong statements in this thread...
post #1965 of 10335
^^ sure is; cant wait to be one of them and yes I may just be the first to throw a balanced cable on them ala Buffalo32
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