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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

Having auditioned both the S-EM6 and demo JH13Fp, I'd take the JH anytime.
The treble in the EM6 is not as sparkle nor details as the JH13.... too roll-off for me.
AT their RRP, I'd rather take K3003 as it has the aggressive sound sig like JH13.
YMMV though
You auditioned at jaben?
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post
 

 

Having auditioned both the S-EM6 and demo JH13Fp, I'd take the JH anytime.

The treble in the EM6 is not as sparkle nor details as the JH13.... too roll-off for me.

AT their RRP, I'd rather take K3003 as it has the aggressive sound sig like JH13.

YMMV though

Exactly my same thoughts, I tried the S-EM6 at Jaben with my AK120 and found that details felt `muffled' or `veiled', to the point where it's there, but you really have to concentrate to pick it out, which caused a bit of fatigue in the short 10 minutes I tried it. The treble roll-off was so significant that it felt like cymbals were hit and then removed from the song almost instantly.
 

I made the same comment about rather going for the K3003 or JH13PRO especially at that price point. :beerchug: 

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Originally Posted by lookingforIEMs View Post


You auditioned at jaben?

Yup! where else can I auditioned both the JH13 and S-EM6? :D

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Originally Posted by SenG View Post
 

Exactly my same thoughts, I tried the S-EM6 at Jaben with my AK120 and found that details felt `muffled' or `veiled', to the point where it's there, but you really have to concentrate to pick it out, which caused a bit of fatigue in the short 10 minutes I tried it. The treble roll-off was so significant that it felt like cymbals were hit and then removed from the song almost instantly.
 

I made the same comment about rather going for the K3003 or JH13PRO especially at that price point. :beerchug: 

 

Exactly bro....

At that price point, I think with almost the same sound signature as the S-EM6, I'd rather take the SE846.... better bass, alluring mids and "slightly" better treble, albeit still a bit roll-off for me.... It's a matter of lesser of the 2 evils :tongue:

 

But, if I have that kind of money for a universal, I'd rather take IE800 or K3003 over those 2, anytime....

Having said that, I'd rather up a few hundreds buck (Yusof Ishak notes), and go for the real deal, the JH13Pro :tongue_smile: 


Edited by akhyar - 9/28/13 at 9:32pm
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I'll have to audition them first before I say anything.. I have listened to the 846 but not my cup of tea.. I prefer the sm64 ..
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Thought I'd repost some thoughts between the JH13 and ER-4S (and UERM) that I posted in the ER-4S thread:

 

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post
 

Got a chance to do a little back and forth with the ER-4S and JH13 this morning.  

 

From memory, the JH13 isn't too far off the UERM.  They both have peaks at 10k but the JH13 peak is a good bit smaller.  The other peak the JH13 has is at 6k and I believe the UERM was closer to 5k.  The other main difference is in bass.  I'd say the bass curve of the JH13 would follow a similar look to the UERM but add 2, possibly 3, db's evenly everywhere. Rin's measurements of the UERM show a small dip around 3k that I do not hear in the JH13. The overall effect is that the UERM sounded much brighter to me and less warm.

 

Switching from the JH13 to the ER-4S takes a little while to adjust to both fit and drastic change in staging.  The JH13 sounds much larger, more enveloping and a good bit thicker.  The ER-4S bass quality is superb and bass detail is very easy to distinguish.  It truly is designed to let you hear every nuance on the recording; however if you enjoy a more live instrument feel to your presentation, it just doesn't have the palpable kick of the JH13.  The increased overall bass on the JH13 definitely gives you more of the live venue flavor and what many term a more natural presentation.  While all the low end details are still there, the trade off is that they aren't laid bare like they are in the ER-4S and becomes more about feeling and emotion than technical prowess.

 

Treble sounds just a hair brighter, just a hair, in the JH13.  I think this is most likely due to the 10k peak but it however remains very fatigue and sibilance free.  In contrast the ER-4S treble seems a little softer in note and, to me, silky smooth; so the JH13 shows upper range details easier, which helps for better imaging.  

 

Regarding midrange, I don't find the midrange laid back on the JH13, as it has very good presence from 1k through 3k but because the ER-4S doesn't have the bass presence of the JH13, it sounds mid centric immediately after switching between the two iems. After several minutes of brain adjustment, things start to even out on the ER-4S; however I do feel like they are just a bit tilted towards the upper mid.

 

As for instrument timbre, I like somethings better on each phone.  I like treble shimmer on cymbals a bit better on the ER-4S but I greatly prefer distortion guitar on the JH13.  And while I absolutely love the bass detail of the ER-4S, the JH13 gets my head bobbing and draws me into the driving beat of the drum kit.  Both really are superb with vocal clarity and detail; the freqphase thing really seems to work well here.

 

The JH13 is by far the most comfortable custom I've had and is the most comfortable iem I own.  The ER-4S fit is fairly comfortable in its own right but takes a minute or two after insertion to adjust.  Once settled I don't have any issues using the gray trips; however I would love to find the ER-4S sound in a silicone ciem.

 
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 How much time on them? The top continues to smooth and open for a while. Midbass also drops for a bit. try a high volume break in for a day or so and see if they change any more. With 2 drivers per range, it's safe enough. 

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

 How much time on them? The top continues to smooth and open for a while. Midbass also drops for a bit. try a high volume break in for a day or so and see if they change any more. With 2 drivers per range, it's safe enough. 

 

Around 34 hours in this morning.

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Takes 100 to 200 but obviously, most change early.

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Guys, I've been using the JH13 Pro for several months, and I realized that the holes have become filled and contaminated with a lot of ear wax. I'm not sure if this significantly affects sound quality, but it looks really bad and I want to clean it. Do you know the best way to clean it perfectly so that all ear wax is removed, without damaging the JH13 Pro in any way, or worse, accidentally push the ear wax so deep that it cannot be removed? I am thinking of a few ways, but I'm really worried that I may end up pushing the ear wax deep that it becomes unreachable and unremovable.

 

Also, is there any way to put something at the tips so that ear wax doesn't end up inside the JH13 Pro, such as using a foam tip? I've never used a foam tip before, are these any good?

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The little metal bar at the end of the cleaner is designed to not push wax further in. You insert into hole, then twist and scrape out. The hard bristles are there to brush away the wax at the tips and other places. That's really the best way to clean up. Never blow air inside the canals. If you get excessive amount of wax stuck inside, and you can't manually clean them out, then you can send it to JH to get it cleaned out. Sound shouldn't be compromised unless the tube itself is actually clogged.

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it does affect the sound when partially filled. Make sure the bores are facing down when cleaning.

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It took a while to get a proper fit but I'm finally enjoying my JH13s with no canal pain.  They really are detail monsters and that combined with phenomenal dynamics is very aurally seductive.

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Originally Posted by Deviltooth View Post

It took a while to get a proper fit but I'm finally enjoying my JH13s with no canal pain.  They really are detail monsters and that combined with phenomenal dynamics is very aurally seductive.

How many refits did you go through? I'm having the opposite problem. Waiting for refit 2 to come back...
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Originally Posted by mattwardfh View Post


How many refits did you go through? I'm having the opposite problem. Waiting for refit 2 to come back...

I sent them back the first time and they supposedly shaved and shortened them.  The result was much the same, canal pain in the left ear within 20 minutes of use.  The second time I found a much beter audiologist (Jamie Larsen of Burnaby, B.C. listed on JH's page) and had new impressions made.  That did the trick.

 

Quality impressions made with the correct materials (not the soft pink foam) are key.

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