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post #2101 of 9141
7/19/09 at 11:44am
I love how the highs extend way out but are so incredibly smooth that there is absolutely zero painful sibilance.

I remember when I got the Westone 3's and noted the painful sibilance I was hearing I was told that I was now "just hearing the actual recording" which the 530's were rolling off. Right.
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post #2102 of 9141
7/19/09 at 11:50am
They look spectacular hotdoggie! Is that glitter on the faceplate?
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post #2103 of 9141
7/19/09 at 12:15pm
hotdoggie
your's JH13 is very nice, and after you burn over 50 hours ,you will suprise more first listen
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post #2104 of 9141
7/19/09 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
Do the JH13s sound like the HD600s? The HD600s are by far my favorite dynamic headphones. Would be great if the JH13s sound as good as the HD600s.
I enjoyed my 600s, especially with the balanced cable you built for me, but I sold them to a friend shortly after my 800s arrived. I never did a 1:1 comparison between the 13s and the 600s, but given my listening comparisons between the 600/800 and the 800/13, I doubt you'll be disappointed.
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post #2105 of 9141
7/19/09 at 12:34pm
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I am a proud owner of these babies:
Very nice, hotdoggie. Have gotten some great ideas from other designs here as I consider the possibilities for my second pair.
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post #2106 of 9141
7/19/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Jensen View Post
I love how the highs extend way out but are so incredibly smooth that there is absolutely zero painful sibilance.

I remember when I got the Westone 3's and noted the painful sibilance I was hearing I was told that I was now "just hearing the actual recording" which the 530's were rolling off. Right.
In some instances, that very well was the case. Many recordings these days are quite harsh and heavy in the sibilance range on the upper end of vocals. Some phones do better at presenting that neutrally than others. I'd certainly expect any and every top tier IEM to do this very well.

The 530's have some serious lacking in the upper frequency end. The Westone 3's certainly don't in the upper midrange. One under-exaggerated and one over-exaggerated that particular range, IMHO.
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post #2107 of 9141
7/19/09 at 1:07pm
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It almost seems like yesterday when you wrote the first quote above. Oh, wait a minute, it WAS indeed yesterday.
Yep, it was yesterday, you know.
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post #2108 of 9141
7/19/09 at 1:46pm
Hotdoggie's JH13's look fantastic. I hope the quality of the artwork is as good on mine (when they get here). It is encouraging though to see such good work & that colour is just awesome......
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post #2109 of 9141
7/19/09 at 2:01pm
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Well I am listening to my phone to my amp and it sounds better then my micro dac feeding from my computer. Guess it is time to replace that .
Of all the time I have been reading posts on head-fi I have never read something as mind-blogging as that. Is it really the case that some portable superphone has an internal dac that is superior to that of a headroom micro??? That micro costs around $300!! Any of the 3 things must be true:

1. Headroom needs to do some serious R&D
2. The micro doesn't sound anywhere close to %50 its fullest potential without that astrodyne power supply upgrade.
3. The micro just doesn't pair well with your amp for whatever electronic reasons.
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post #2110 of 9141
7/19/09 at 2:14pm
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In some instances, that very well was the case. Many recordings these days are quite harsh and heavy in the sibilance range on the upper end of vocals. Some phones do better at presenting that neutrally than others. I'd certainly expect any and every top tier IEM to do this very well.

The 530's have some serious lacking in the upper frequency end. The Westone 3's certainly don't in the upper midrange. One under-exaggerated and one over-exaggerated that particular range, IMHO.
Right, so my point is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. The westone's most certainly had a treble spike that the JH 13 pro do not.
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post #2111 of 9141
7/19/09 at 2:33pm
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Right, so my point is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. The westone's most certainly had a treble spike that the JH 13 pro do not.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I certainly think that high end phones should be able to get sibilant if the recording is indeed severely sibilant. Otherwise, where's the neutrality we so fondly seek and speak of? My Sensa's sure can. contrary to reports that they're sibilant-proof. I'd expect the same from the ES3x and the JH13 Pro when/if I decide to get either.

I was just trying to remind the masses that there are certainly a large number of poorly mastered pop/rock/jazz recordings these days that try for sparkle, but miss with a harsh upper mid-range. Phones that are incapable of showing harsh-ness are not my cup of tea, given my FOH audio needs and tone shaping needs as a guitar player. But phones that somehow magically smooth things out (reports say that the old school Sensas, ES3x, and JH13 pros do this well) and make them tolerable, are certainly gems in my book.

Glad to hear we're all being so spoiled by such incredible advances in products.
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post #2112 of 9141
7/19/09 at 3:05pm
waiting for JH13->buffalo32 as thought these things are able to scale quite well by the sounds of it. anyone using these with their top shelf dacs??
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post #2113 of 9141
7/19/09 at 3:20pm
After these last few posts, I got out my Westone 3s. When I first got them, I didn't hear the sibilance that some others had identified. At the time, they were replacing a pair of stolen UM2s, and my only other point of reference was my Etys. But the difference between the 13s' non-strident detail and what I would now call the W3's sizzle--that may be too strong; zing might be better--is pretty clear. I think I am going to do a little more comparison. But I do not hear any "magically smoothing out" going on with my 13s. All the detail of cymbals, snares, sticks, high violin registers and female vocals is there, but without the edge. It's the difference between making it look/feel/hear easy versus straining to get the job done. Whether the W3s are trying too hard, or are for some other reason too forward above 5-6k, I think that difference is where some of the musicality gets lost in the W3s.
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post #2114 of 9141
7/19/09 at 5:46pm
I would never thought that an IEM would have better bass than any headphone I have or have heard, both in quality and depth and zero smearing into the low mids. Excellent.
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post #2115 of 9141
7/19/09 at 6:21pm
It might be funny but would be great if someone could compare the bass with L3000's.
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