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post #136 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by hockeyb213 View Post
well either way I don't want them getting brittle who knows but if there is a market I am sure they will do remoulding the cans for a relatively cheap price since they do it for free when you are first trying to get the perfect seal and have 2nd impressions made so it cannot be too pricey
  1. Could you please use punctuation? I had a hard time deciphering your post.
  2. JH (and UE, and Westone, and LW, etc.) all do the initial refits for free, when necessary. It doesn't mean that refits further along the road will be cheap. Westone charges $350, for instance, which -- in my wallet's opinion -- is rather pricey.
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post #137 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:12am
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Well that is high but if they are doing it for free initially. There is not reason that it should be that high later on at max it should be 150 I mean really if they are willing to eat the cost initially why blast a customer with a price that high later?
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post #138 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:14am
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Originally Posted by Sinocelt View Post
How much does it help when you're moving your mouth? I'll need a pair of monitors when my jaw has been fixed and I can do voice work again, so the ability for the customs to stay comfy (and, of course, keep a seal) is especially important. It actually matters more to me than the ability to reproduce the very ends of the audible spectrum, since anyway, my voice won't reach quite that far in either direction.
I am not a singer or professional, just an audiophile, so some of this may not apply to you.

The heat sensitive tips make the biggest difference when I am listening to music and eating something at the same time, more than with talking. I just don't seem to be as aware of the IEM in my ear with thrusting my jaw and chewing or drinking with them. It's not like it hurts or anything to do that with the full acrylic, but I do become more aware of the customs in my ear doing those things with full acrylic customs.

Secondly, the heat-sensitive tips also affect how much fatigue you get with wearing them for hours and hours at a time with music. With my full acrylic customs I would like to take them out occasionally, like slipping off my shoes every couple or three hours for a rest (not due to pain), but I have left the ES3X in my ears for as long as 8 hours before while listening to music in the afternoon and late evening. Some of it was just a need to get them out of my ears, but also some of that is fatigue due to the sound signature of my cheaper customs. With better sounding customs that listening fatigue may go away and not be due to the tips.
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post #139 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:15am
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Originally Posted by gameboy115 View Post
hey,bolardito, have you heard Jh13 demo at camjam? what is your impression of it and compare with um3x. Thanks

You guys are real devil, always make me want to upgrade
No, I haven't but I fall easy to the hype But I love really love my UE11 which were created by him so that makes me feel confident this is going to be something on a different league.
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post #140 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:19am
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Well that is high but if they are doing it for free initially. There is not reason that it should be that high later on at max it should be 150 I mean really if they are willing to eat the cost initially why blast a customer with a price that high later?
Be safe: ask them; don't assume. As I mentioned, Westone also does it for free initially, then it becomes $350. One could argue with them that it really shouldn't cost more than $150, but it won't help, and the same goes for all other manufacturers: they won't change their pricing just because you think they're overcharging.

So, better safe than sorry: if you intend to order the JH|13, better ask them first about their warranty and the cost of refits past the initial period.

[Edit:] Once again, HPA, thank you for your feedback!
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post #141 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:30am
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well I will but if in 4 years if I am still liking them that much I wouldn't mind throwing down another 350 to keep them in tip top shape
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post #142 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by hockeyb213 View Post
well I will but if in 4 years if I am still liking them that much I wouldn't mind throwing down another 350 to keep them in tip top shape
In 4 years you would be saving for the JH27 Pro!
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post #143 of 9189
6/4/09 at 12:55am
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exactly my point lol I was reading the guide to iem's and the guy was talking about how customs have a shorter lifespan (4-5 years average) and I was giggling thinking to myself how many head-fiers actually hold onto a pair that long and continue to use them as their favorite iem for much more then 5 years unless you are using etymotic er4's I would doubt it
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post #144 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:02am
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well I will but if in 4 years if I am still liking them that much I wouldn't mind throwing down another 350 to keep them in tip top shape
A very valid point of view. But then, the fact that vinyl doesn't last as long as acrylic shouldn't bother you either.

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exactly my point lol I was reading the guide to iem's and the guy was talking about how customs have a shorter lifespan (4-5 years average) and I was giggling thinking to myself how many head-fiers actually hold onto a pair that long and continue to use them as their favorite iem for much more then 5 years unless you are using etymotic er4's I would doubt it
My EP-630 lasted me four years -- at least -- before I switched from starving student to assistant professor and could afford to replace them. But that's not the point here: the JH|13 cost $1099 ($999 until June 30th), so if I bought them, yes, I'd want to use them for at least five years ($200/year): in the studio, at the gym, everywhere.
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post #145 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:06am
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Yea that is why I said if I still love them that much 4-5 years from now I have no problem paying to have them fit perfectly. I have nothing against the silicon just saying that sound quality wise it does nothing and being a true audio quality purist here that sort of gets thrown under the bus of absolute sound quality and isolation. I guess the time period wouldn't be a issue but I have heard it takes 2 years for it to occur at least on sensaphonics customs at least. But considering for the longest time people have been using full acrylic iem's without making a peep about discomfort and I don't think that will turn me off of them .
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post #146 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:12am
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I guess the time period wouldn't be a issue but I have heard it takes 2 years for it to occur at least on sensaphonics customs at least.
Sensaphonics use hard silicone, I believe, not vinyl.


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But considering for the longest time people have been using full acrylic iem's without making a peep about discomfort and I don't think that will turn me off of them .
As HPA stated, while his ES3X are more comfy that his full-acrylic customs, the latter are still more comfortable than any of his universal IEMs. So for most people, you're right, it'll make little difference. The only people who are likely to really care are professionals who wear their customs for most of the day, and especially performers whose jaws move a lot, thus altering the shape of their ear canals.
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post #147 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:14am
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yep also I have spoken to westone about silicon vs vinyl for the um-56 tips according to them they have the same amount of durability and lifetime so I don't think that matters
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post #148 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:15am
Will you guys wear these at the gym? or doing any kind of cardio work-out? I heard that with universals, the heat and sweats sometimes get into the driver and ruin them after a little while. Is it different with customs?
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post #149 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:16am
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you wouldn't want to use really high stuff for working out just because there is a chance for them to get damaged whether it by by sweat falling out etc etc etc.... what I would recommend is getting the the jh-13 and using a cheaper alternative for the gym which is what most that I have seen on head-fi do.
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post #150 of 9189
6/4/09 at 1:23am
If custom earphones originally made for singers performing live cannot stand buckets of sweat, then they aren't fit for their job. I've been on stage, and shed as much sweat under the spotlights as ever at the gym.
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