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post #541 of 1528
Sure I will do that. If I have time later tonight when I get home from work I'll give it a listen.
post #542 of 1528
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Another trick I use is to only use one type of technology for a period of time, so IEMs vs. circumaurals for instance for a few weeks then switch.
I have to second this approach. My job takes me on travel every now and again, sometimes, for a good period of time. During this time, I use my Image 5 IEM's as they are small, comfortable and travel very well (did I mention they are small?). When I get back from the road and put on my open-ear phones, it is like a revelation in sound. It really brings things into focus and allows you to objectively judge what you have and what you want to improve.

In this case, a negative (being on the raod and away from home, family and toys) becomes a positive (gaining new appreciation for home, family and toys)!!

jk
post #543 of 1528
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Originally Posted by Zanth View Post
once I get myself some free time I'll try to formally evaluate them against the PS-1000's, PS-1's and a slew of other Grados. This won't be for another couple of weeks, not until I get to hear the 325i's again and the older SR200's with Beagle.

He and I are exceptionally simpatico in our listening preferences and we tend to use the same words when describing sound so it will be fun and informative to bounce things off of him when I hear his other Grados, as well as his HF-2.
Nice to see you back, Zanth.

Ehhh..I don't have the 325i anymore. You recall they went in the Stax transaction? It's gonna have to be the HF-2 and the SR200. I can also provide what is essentially an MS-2 (MS-1 w/UHPLC cable and drivers in modded SR325 aluminum housings).

Meanwhile, I've "totally messed up my brain and ears" by enjoying the Stax for the last 10 days straight. Went back to the HF-2 and...well....not the same. They sound a wee bit bass heavy, foggy, and lack HF extention. Of course, this is committing the cardinal sin of A/B'ing one headphone against the other instead of listening for tonality approximating live sounds. But the Stax are the best balanced, transparent phone in my collection. They tell you everything about any equipment/format changes you put through them. The don't filter everything into a particular coloration like other phones.

But enough about that. I'm going to go back into Grado mode to do this comparison and get a bead on exactly what the HF-2 is doing compared to other Grados. HF-2 vs. RS-1? Think of a metal clarinet compared to a wooden one. The HF-2 beats the RS-1 in speed but loses in tonality, and the RS-1 is more seamless in it's FR. Also, these new drivers seem to lack the sweetness that the older ones used to have. Overdamped perhaps?
post #544 of 1528
It's the comparison between the HF-2 and RS-1 that I'm most interested in.

Zanth and Beagle, would you give your opinion on whether you believe the HF-2 is superior to the RS-1?

I know it's something of a loaded question and depends on personal taste to certain degree, but even if your answer only reflects your own values, I'd still be curious to know....
post #545 of 1528
So ImmtBiker you dont hate them anymore? Awesome
post #546 of 1528
Meh.. I'm much more interested in the HF-2 vs. the RS2. I hardly believe the HF-2 will punch $270 higher than its price point, and it's an empty hope to wish it "better" than the RS1 (which is likely very dependent on the user, considering Zanth and Beagle commented on the trade-offs between the two) when from a standalone perspective it is likely an outstanding headphone for its price. I consider the HF-2 and RS2 to fit in the same loose price range, and consequently I think a comparison between the two would paint a more sincere picture about how much of a value this headphone is (because let's face it, the HF-2 vs. RS1 comparison has been done to death already). Then again, not that many own RS2s, and fewer of them with both to compare.. ;(

I didn't purchase the HF-2 with the RS1 in mind.. if I wanted that, I would have just gotten the RS1 and been done with it.
post #547 of 1528
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Meh.. I'm much more interested in the HF-2 vs. the RS2. I hardly believe the HF-2 will punch $270 higher than its price point, and it's an empty hope to wish it "better" than the RS1 (which is likely very dependent on the user, considering Zanth and Beagle commented on the trade-offs between the two) when from a standalone perspective it is likely an outstanding headphone for its price. I consider the HF-2 and RS2 to fit in the same loose price range, and consequently I think a comparison between the two would paint a more sincere picture about how much of a value this headphone is (because let's face it, the HF-2 vs. RS1 comparison has been done to death already). Then again, not that many own RS2s, and fewer of them with both to compare.. ;(

I didn't purchase the HF-2 with the RS1 in mind.. if I wanted that, I would have just gotten the RS1 and been done with it.
It's not necessarily about wishing it's better than the RS-1. I disagree that there has been a great deal of quality comparing of the RS-1 and HF-2. Maybe I've missed some of the better posts on this question....

In terms of price comparison, I think it's somewhat complicated. The market value of the HF-2 is likely to be (at least) as much as the RS-1 going forward. It's the problem of having a limited edition competing against an established product line.

For some, the mystique of the limited edition creates value that goes beyond the performance of the headphone itself. I am not one of those people.
post #548 of 1528
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It's not necessarily about wishing it's better than the RS-1. I disagree that there has been a great deal of quality comparing of the RS-1 and HF-2. Maybe I've missed some of the better posts on this question....
Quality.. maybe. I remember many of the impressions linked from the first post of this thread have involved some cursory evaluation regarding the HF-2 vs. RS1, usually in favor of the latter but not at the significant expense of the former. They were detailed enough to paint a convincing portrayal of how the two match up against one another. However, I did note that a number of these impressions were done at CanJam under less-than-ideal conditions, so in the case of quality evaluation under ideal listening conditions and perhaps more traditional setups, I see what you mean.

I have trouble believing that the market value of the HF-2 would rise much beyond $500 given the impressions I've read, but that's okay for me. That's why I'm curious to know how they stack up against the RS2, which sell new for that price and are (from what I'm reading) a tad more neutral than the RS1, and therefore perhaps a closer match to the HF-2 in sound signature, if not also in technical merit.
post #549 of 1528
I will state unequivocably that for my taste, the HF2s are significantly better than any RS1 I've owned (doesn't include brown headband rs1s, but does include early SN black headband one, and a mid-life black headband with button one)
post #550 of 1528
Oh, man, guys, the pain, THE PAIN. I don't recognize as many names here but some of you may remember me. I used to live here. I am a huge Grado fan and a huge fan of my HF-1's. I jumped on the HF-1 the day, no wait THE HOUR, they became available here. I've been quite happy with my current system for some time and I haven't been able to come here as often as I used to. Today was the first time I ever heard of these HF-2's and now...they are no longer available. I would have bought a pair of these immediately. All day I have been bummed, I can't describe the massive pain in my stomach right now. I mean, I'm just absolutely drop dead, flat out depressed. Ugggh. Oh, the pain...
post #551 of 1528
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Originally Posted by Sean H View Post
Oh, man, guys, the pain, THE PAIN. I don't recognize as many names here but some of you may remember me. I used to live here. I am a huge Grado fan and a huge fan of my HF-1's. I jumped on the HF-1 the day, no wait THE HOUR, they became available here. I've been quite happy with my current system for some time and I haven't been able to come here as often as I used to. Today was the first time I ever heard of these HF-2's and now...they are no longer available. I would have bought a pair of these immediately. All day I have been bummed, I can't describe the massive pain in my stomach right now. I mean, I'm just absolutely drop dead, flat out depressed. Ugggh. Oh, the pain...
Just get your HF-1 woodied and recabled with a set of flat pads and don't look back. (just don't headphile them). Or, sit back and wait for some HF-2 to show up in the FS forum, since a few pair have already been turned loose there.
post #552 of 1528
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Originally Posted by Sean H View Post
Oh, man, guys, the pain, THE PAIN. I don't recognize as many names here but some of you may remember me. I used to live here. I am a huge Grado fan and a huge fan of my HF-1's. I jumped on the HF-1 the day, no wait THE HOUR, they became available here. I've been quite happy with my current system for some time and I haven't been able to come here as often as I used to. Today was the first time I ever heard of these HF-2's and now...they are no longer available. I would have bought a pair of these immediately. All day I have been bummed, I can't describe the massive pain in my stomach right now. I mean, I'm just absolutely drop dead, flat out depressed. Ugggh. Oh, the pain...
I remember you from the zhaolu threads back in the day. I'm sort of in the same boat- I took a leave from head-fi for a couple of years, primarily to quell the obsessive quality that it can provoke that tends to be very expensive. Only got back into the groove over the last six months or so.

A lot has changed. Especially in the area of portable audio. IEM's have made a quantum leap compared to where they were at when I started out here.

Anyway, I understand your pain over not getting in on this. Believe it or not, had things gone as originally planned, I'm pretty sure you'd still have been able to order the HF-2.

Due to the printing error, the # of headphones was limited to 500 and the cut-off date was moved up. I was actually very surprised that they took as long to sell out after the change in plans as they did.

The good news is, like the HF-1's (initially), the HF-2 will probably be available on the FS forum for a few months at roughly the same price as the retail price. But, like the HF-1, it's likely that the price of the HF-2 will increase significantly a year from now...
post #553 of 1528
There will be atleast a handful of them sold by those with RS1s who dont like the flavor difference. But whatever you do if you love the HF1 and dont have an RS1 already, GET THESE.
post #554 of 1528
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Originally Posted by Sean H View Post
Oh, man, guys, the pain, THE PAIN. I don't recognize as many names here but some of you may remember me. I used to live here. I am a huge Grado fan and a huge fan of my HF-1's. I jumped on the HF-1 the day, no wait THE HOUR, they became available here. I've been quite happy with my current system for some time and I haven't been able to come here as often as I used to. Today was the first time I ever heard of these HF-2's and now...they are no longer available. I would have bought a pair of these immediately. All day I have been bummed, I can't describe the massive pain in my stomach right now. I mean, I'm just absolutely drop dead, flat out depressed. Ugggh. Oh, the pain...
I'm right with ya... lucky for me I managed to show up about 2 weeks after the HF-2 was announced and managed to convince the wife I needed a pair (father's day gift turned birthday gift [today] due to delays). Still waiting... I probably won't be selling mine though.

I've been very happy with my HF-1 setup... happy enough to move onto other hobbies ever since and had no need or want to upgrade. I would randomly check out the site mainly to see what was going on, or to look for info on a portable amp/dac (went with the total bithead over a year ago). Then I saw the HF-2 was announced and pulled the trigger. I haven't bought any "head-fi" phones since I bought the HF-1 new.

It's fun to be back...
post #555 of 1528
Listening to HF-2's with salad bowls...

will soon compare against the PS-1000's, RS-1's comparison will have to wait another day as it is already getting late and I just returned home from work.
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