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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Oh, ok.......
 

 

Ok...

 

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post #77 of 189
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Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post


wow, does that means the expensive Toxic cable shielded and braided silver + 1% gold is hardly any difference compare to the stock cable (Silver coated copper cable) ?

some people said that it is just a microphonics difference with shielded cable, if that is the case then there is no need to upgrade to expensive cable for indoor listening use.

 

Cables do make a difference, sometimes a large difference.

 

How do I know because I have heard it. wink_face.gif 

I upgraded my stock HE6 cable for the Toxic Silver Poison and differences were clear and obvious. The HE6's jumped from being my 3rd choice phone to my number 1.

It was so clear I have recently sold the Silver Poison..... and bought 3 Silver Widows for my HD800's LCD2.2s and HE6's.

That's over £600 spent on the new cables and I certainly would not of done that unless I was sure of the benefits. And listening to my HD800's/silver widows as I write this I know it was money well spent.    biggrin.gif

post #78 of 189
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

 

Cables do make a difference, sometimes a large difference.

 

How do I know because I have heard it. wink_face.gif

I upgraded my stock HE6 cable for the Toxic Silver Poison and differences were clear and obvious. The HE6's jumped from being my 3rd choice phone to my number 1.

It was so clear I have recently sold the Silver Poison..... and bought 3 Silver Widows for my HD800's LCD2.2s and HE6's.

That's over £600 spent on the new cables and I certainly would not of done that unless I was sure of the benefits. And listening to my HD800's/silver widows as I write this I know it was money well spent.    biggrin.gif

 

 

It would be really disappointing to you if you had spent all that money on an upgrade that did nothing to improve the sound, wouldn't it? You might have even felt embarrassed about it. Good thing that didn't happen, yeah?

post #79 of 189
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Cables do make a difference, sometimes a large difference.

How do I know because I have heard it. wink_face.gif  
I upgraded my stock HE6 cable for the Toxic Silver Poison and differences were clear and obvious. The HE6's jumped from being my 3rd choice phone to my number 1.
It was so clear I have recently sold the Silver Poison..... and bought 3 Silver Widows for my HD800's LCD2.2s and HE6's.
That's over £600 spent on the new cables and I certainly would not of done that unless I was sure of the benefits. And listening to my HD800's/silver widows as I write this I know it was money well spent.    biggrin.gif

holy god.... :-o

the more I read this thread, the more I'm intoxicated with the Silver Widow (*_*)
post #80 of 189
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Originally Posted by Eisenhower View Post

 

 

It would be really disappointing to you if you had spent all that money on an upgrade that did nothing to improve the sound, wouldn't it? You might have even felt embarrassed about it. Good thing that didn't happen, yeah?

 

I had total confidence that it would not given the performance of the silver poison on the HE6's.

 

My confidence was justified!  wink_face.gif

post #81 of 189
Can someone here please share the link or your experience of whether 22 AWG or 26 AWG copper cable make any audible difference ?

Does the strand count also plays part in the sound quality of the cable or just the flexibility only ?
post #82 of 189
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Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post

Can someone here please share the link or your experience of whether 22 AWG or 26 AWG copper cable make any audible difference ?

Does the strand count also plays part in the sound quality of the cable or just the flexibility only ?

 

22 AWG will sound "bigger" than the 26 AWG. The extra strands means more bass and lows get delivered to the headphone. This is basic science.

 

just kidding, it doesn't matter.


Edited by Eisenhower - 6/26/13 at 11:44am
post #83 of 189
You got it backwards 22AWG will sound bigger, its a bigger wire size.

26 AWG will sound "bigger" than the 22 AWG. The extra strands means more bass and lows get delivered to the headphone. This is basic science.

just kidding, it doesn't matter.
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post #84 of 189

It would depend on the application.  For a headphone recable, depending on the length the 26 AWG may add a small amount of extra resistance.  For say an RCA connection we are talking line level with high input impedance so resistance is not much of an issue here.
 

Big Poppa,

My comment above was deleted so I won't repost since it was obviously done for a reason, but one particular comment I didn't mean to make was to endorse locking connectors.  I was moreso trying to emphasize the effect of a solid, metal-to-metal electrical connection.  Locking type are not the only option.


Edited by Jam_Master_J - 6/26/13 at 11:13am
post #85 of 189
if you upgrade the stock cable to 1% gold "insert fancy/mysterious name here" cable woudn't you need to upgrade the pcb inside the dap, amp, and the inside of the headphone and even the inside of the female jack to gold, silver, adamantiun or whatever material used to "improve the sound"?
Edited by Gorillaz - 6/26/13 at 11:36am
post #86 of 189
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Originally Posted by Eisenhower View Post

22 AWG will sound "bigger" than the 26 AWG. The extra strands means more bass and lows get delivered to the headphone. This is basic science.

just kidding, it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Jam_Master_J View Post

It would depend on the application.  For a headphone recable, depending on the length the 26 AWG may add a small amount of extra resistance.  For say an RCA connection we are talking line level with high input impedance so resistance is not much of an issue here.

 
Big Poppa,
My comment above was deleted so I won't repost since it was obviously done for a reason, but one particular comment I didn't mean to make was to endorse locking connectors.  I was moreso trying to emphasize the effect of a solid, metal-to-metal electrical connection.  Locking type are not the only option.

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if you upgrade the stock cable to 1% gold "insert fancy/mysterious name here" cable woudn't you need to upgrade the pcb inside the dap, amp, and the inside of the headphone and even the inside of the female jack to gold, silver, adamantiun or whatever material used to "improve the sound"?

Cool, thanks guys for your clarification, I guess there is no big significant audible sonic difference with different cable materials based on the thread that I read above.
So it can be concluded that the only difference or enhancement that you will benefits is the cable flexibility, cosmetic changes and eliminating the microphonics effects.
post #87 of 189
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

This wasn't intended to you but the science posse. But I can understand your thinking it was.

In that case I hope you will accept my full and unreserved apologies. I wrote that at the end of a long train journey and I was tired and cranky.

The problem is people who understand only a little science who jump on one thing they do know and forget everything else exists. So often I see comments such as "Capacitors don't need to settle, therefore burn in doesn't exist". Total nonsense, yes that one effect can't explain it but that doesn't mean some other effect doesn't (in that particular case such as heatsink thermal grease settling for example). It's fine to say this certain effect doesn't explain it, just don't claim the one tiny thing you do understand is the entirety of the subject!

Personally I keep my mind open as much as I can, and if an effect is widely reported I try an consider every possible way it could exist. Even if you want to debunk something you should start by trying you're very hardest to prove that it does in fact exist, look at every effect which could be in play and see if it could be a cause. Only when you've done that can begin to say it doesn't exist with any confidence.
post #88 of 189
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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post

if you upgrade the stock cable to 1% gold "insert fancy/mysterious name here" cable woudn't you need to upgrade the pcb inside the dap, amp, and the inside of the headphone and even the inside of the female jack to gold, silver, adamantiun or whatever material used to "improve the sound"?

This is true to a degree, but it's not the whole story. If the wiring was, for example, adding 1db of distortion/signal loss/whatever per metre of cable changing the cable you're using to something producing half that would still improve the total distortion/signal loss/whatever in the system. Of course in reality the wiring doesn't add anything like that unless it's really god awful to the point of being defective, and I'm not claiming that the wiring actually does cause enough distortion or anything else to worry about. Just that IF it was important changing 1.5m (or more for long cables) of the wiring could make a difference. If the internal wring of the device comes to a total of 1.5m or less (which isn't unrealistic in certain devices) and you have a 1.5m cable that's half of the total length of the signal path or more you'd be replacing. Even if the internals came to a mighty 10m it's 15%, and that's for a short cable. If like me you often use 3m or longer it's more. As I said I'm not saying cables do matter, just that if the wiring material does matter there's a good chance that changing some of it is better than changing non of it.
post #89 of 189
A 3mm, 6 foot cable, copper vs. silver measures to a 0.0024dB difference in highs.
post #90 of 189
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A 3mm, 6 foot cable, copper vs. silver measures to a 0.0024dB difference in highs.

Good to know thanks for the data. What do you mean by highs specifically, at what frequency?
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