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Originally Posted by Kimball Corson View Post

Hearing is largely a brain function and that in turn can be a matter of training. Help from others doesn't hurt, but listening carefully to live, unamplified live music in different venues is the best  help, I think.  One problem is a piece of equipment in a system can sound better in some regards and worse in others. Also, you need to live with equipment changes for a bit independently of burn in to let your brain adjust and see how comfortable or not you become with the changes. It is really tricky business, but having live music as a reference really helps. I was amazed at how fast our group could agree on what was overall very good or not.  


Headphones of any type lack dynamic impact. That is my problem with them. Fifth row center orchestra seating in Grady Gammage auditorium during Mahler's 2nd Symphony for enlarged orchestra can have the proscenium stage floor flex on its perpendicular axis by over 1 1/2" on crescendos.. The visceral impact is enormous and very real. Headphones simply can't replicate that., but with good DAP's in-ear headphone are great for walk around portable use. I listen to Emotiv 5S ampified bookself speakers and a Yamaha subwoofer on my boat and like in-ear headphones more because speakers in a box always sound like speakers in a box unless inordinate sums are spent killing resonances. Too, balancing the subwoofer with those bookshelf units kills impact. So it goes . Head phones help.

I thought you said you were leaving?

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http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/35mgl5/til_a_prize_of_1_million_has_been_offered_to/

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Lol - it would be nice if someone would actually pony up the $1m

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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post


Lol - it would be nice if someone would actually pony up the $1m

Randi has the $1 million on deposit at a bank. Someone just has to demonstrate actual audible differences (outside of things like pathologically high resistance, capacitance and or inductance) and claim it.

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Originally Posted by Ivabign View Post
 


Lol - it would be nice if someone would actually pony up the $1m

 

someone would have ponied it, if the challenge actually existed. the fact that nobody has... is probably because nobody has done the challenge. 

 

I don't know all the detail, but apparently Randy pulled out of the deal a few years ago.

 

Ask Steve Eddy - he was there at the event!

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I don't know all the detail, but apparently Randy pulled out of the deal a few years ago.

Ask Steve Eddy - he was there at the event!

There was no event. Randi disingenuously pulled the rug out from under Fremer before there could ever be an event (actual listening tests).

Although I doubt that Fremer would have ever passed any controlled listening tests anyway, I lost pretty much all respect for Randi after that.

You can read my posts about it on the JREF forum archive here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96913

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There was no event. Randi disingenuously pulled the rug out from under Fremer before there could ever be an event (actual listening tests).

Although I doubt that Fremer would have ever passed any controlled listening tests anyway, I lost pretty much all respect for Randi after that.

You can read my posts about it on the JREF forum archive here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96913

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yeah I remember reading that. awesome. Kudos for your unbiased version of the story.

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yeah I remember reading that. awesome. Kudos for your unbiased version of the story.

Thank you. That caused a bit of a rift between me and some of my friends who are huge Randi fans. I was a huge Randi fan myself. But I call things as I see them, I don't care what "side" they may be coming from. And that incident showed me that Randi was more interested in mocking and impugning Fremer and the guy from Pear than giving Fremer a fair shot at it.

I don't think Randi was thinking that there were still two other cables on the table at the time Pear backed out and he pulled the rug out from under Fremer. And when that was pointed out, instead of a mea culpa, ironically he tried weaseling out of it like those who he has legitimately debunked.

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