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post #181 of 193
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post
 

 

Yet you have not sold them, bought monoprice cables that are just as good and pocketed the difference!!, interesting... oops said I would not post anymore silly me  ;)

 

Sure I have, I sold every single one I thought I could get my money back on, and kept the ones that wouldn't be worth selling (read: that I would sell for less than 50 bucks, might as well just keep those). It says so right there in my post you quoted. I did sell most of the expensive ones though, and pocketed quite a difference as well.

 

The only pair of ICs I haven't sold in fact are the Cardas, which I could get around 100usd for, because they have small tears around the RCA connectors which would make their selling price plummet.


Edited by elmoe - 5/22/14 at 8:52am
post #182 of 193

I'm going to use my guitar work for reference on this and say the quality of a cable is 10x more influencial on sound than the material used.

 

Jumping from a cheap $10 cable to a $30 thicker, well built one made my guitar sound much better, clearer, more frequencies coming through, more detailed etc. But jumping from a $30 well built cable to any of the $50+ well built cables didn't really do much, if anything to the sound. Maybe a tiny bit more highs were present. I keep the expensive cables bc I already spent the money in them, the extra money I pulled into them also went to better durabikty in the construction and a lifetime warranty on some of them. But if they broke I would go back to the $30 cable that sounded just as good.

 

 

Some players like Jimi Hendrix liked the cheap ass, high impedance $10 cables bc they would roll if highs and fuzz things up. But it wasn't material it was cheap construction.

post #183 of 193
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Originally Posted by Souldriver View Post
 

I'm going to use my guitar work for reference on this and say the quality of a cable is 10x more influencial on sound than the material used.

 

Jumping from a cheap $10 cable to a $30 thicker, well built one made my guitar sound much better, clearer, more frequencies coming through, more detailed etc. But jumping from a $30 well built cable to any of the $50+ well built cables didn't really do much, if anything to the sound. Maybe a tiny bit more highs were present. I keep the expensive cables bc I already spent the money in them, the extra money I pulled into them also went to better durabikty in the construction and a lifetime warranty on some of them. But if they broke I would go back to the $30 cable that sounded just as good.

 

 

Some players like Jimi Hendrix liked the cheap ass, high impedance $10 cables bc they would roll if highs and fuzz things up. But it wasn't material it was cheap construction.

 

Yep, any properly built cable should sound the same as any other properly built cable, regardless or price or materials used. If there's any kind of difference between two cables, you can be sure one of them is faulty.

post #184 of 193
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post

Yep, any properly built cable should sound the same as any other properly built cable, regardless or price or materials used. If there's any kind of difference between two cables, you can be sure one of them is faulty.
...well there is a length exception. Whatever wire you use is going to have Resistance and Capacitance per length (and inductance), and you can hit a point where your wire is having an additional effect despite being "good" in build quality.

Of course the length of a headphone cable is going to be extremely short relative to these effects, as would most guitar cables (and if you needed a really long guitar cable, you're probably getting excellent construction and materials for multiple reasons).
post #185 of 193
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Originally Posted by superjawes View Post


...well there is a length exception. Whatever wire you use is going to have Resistance and Capacitance per length (and inductance), and you can hit a point where your wire is having an additional effect despite being "good" in build quality.

Of course the length of a headphone cable is going to be extremely short relative to these effects, as would most guitar cables (and if you needed a really long guitar cable, you're probably getting excellent construction and materials for multiple reasons).

 

Yes but I think we're talking about hundreds of feet here, so it's not much of a problem as far as hifi cables are concerned.

post #186 of 193
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Originally Posted by elmoe View Post

Yes but I think we're talking about hundreds of feet here, so it's not much of a problem as far as hifi cables are concerned.
Not "hundreds" of feet if you're talking about an 8 Ohm speaker and small wire (where resistance can add up quickly), but yes, much longer than one should concern himself with here.
post #187 of 193
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Originally Posted by superjawes View Post


Not "hundreds" of feet if you're talking about an 8 Ohm speaker and small wire (where resistance can add up quickly), but yes, much longer than one should concern himself with here.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

 

Scroll down to see the table.

 

For 10/12 AWG it can go up to hundreds of feet, but yes even with smaller wire it shouldn't be much concern.

post #188 of 193
I've seen the table. That's why I said "small wire" wink.gif

With #22 you still get 12 feet on 8 Ohms, which is much more than you need for headphones. Heck, it still gives you some decent distance on speakers as long as you don't have to do any weird routing.

To be clear, I am agreeing with you. I was just trying to point out an actual science reason why a cable could make a difference.
post #189 of 193

Yes yes we are on the same page, just thought I'd post the link for anyone who wants a look.

post #190 of 193

I recently put together a rig to measure response from IEMs, so I decided to test out the cable myth. 

 

I got a silver oxygen free cable with the stacking kit for my Fiio X5, and compared it to the original copper cable that came with my Fiio E12 amp.

 

The cables in question went between the audio box and the amp

 

Tests were done using REW V5

 

I tested both with the bass boost on, and off. 3 tests for each cable, a total of 6 for each cable

 

Frequency response:

 

 

Phase

 

 

 

I read about people saying that silver cables sounded brighter, so I checked that out too

 

Even zoomed in at a 0.1dB scale, absolutely no difference

 

 

So, from these measurements, it does indeed seem like there is absolutely no difference between the audio reproduction between silver and copper cables (as I had suspected). However, to be fair, this has only been a single test, and only 1 sample of each cable type was used

post #191 of 193
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Originally Posted by Souldriver View Post
 

I'm going to use my guitar work for reference on this and say the quality of a cable is 10x more influencial on sound than the material used.

 

Jumping from a cheap $10 cable to a $30 thicker, well built one made my guitar sound much better, clearer, more frequencies coming through, more detailed etc. But jumping from a $30 well built cable to any of the $50+ well built cables didn't really do much, if anything to the sound. Maybe a tiny bit more highs were present. I keep the expensive cables bc I already spent the money in them, the extra money I pulled into them also went to better durabikty in the construction and a lifetime warranty on some of them. But if they broke I would go back to the $30 cable that sounded just as good.

 

 

Some players like Jimi Hendrix liked the cheap ass, high impedance $10 cables bc they would roll if highs and fuzz things up. But it wasn't material it was cheap construction.


I am also an electric guitar player and I agree that there is a very noticeable difference in instrument cables (cable that goes between the guitar and the amp). Like, even the potato-eared masses would easily hear these differences. But the instrument signal is super tiny and very susceptible to differences in cable capacitance. Speaker cables handle much more current and most think there is no difference as long as the wire gauge is appropriate for the cable length. I imagine headphone cables are more similar to speaker cables in application and therefore it matters little, if at all.

 

That said, out of unbearable curiosity I just ordered an aftermarket cable to replace my stock HD600 cable. But it only cost $40 (from lunashops.com). And I chose the pure OCC over silver-plated OCC purely because I think it looks prettier. :)


Edited by bzippy - 2/18/15 at 10:19am
post #192 of 193
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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post
 


I am also an electric guitar player and I agree that there is a very noticeable difference in instrument cables (cable that goes between the guitar and the amp). Like, even the potato-eared masses would easily hear these differences. But the instrument signal is super tiny and very susceptible to differences in cable capacitance. Speaker cables handle much more current and most think there is no difference as long as the wire gauge is appropriate for the cable length. I imagine headphone cables are more similar to speaker cables in application and therefore it matters little, if at all.

 

That said, out of unbearable curiosity I just ordered an aftermarket cable to replace my stock HD600 cable. But it only cost $40 (from lunashops.com). And I chose the pure OCC over silver-plated OCC purely because I think it looks prettier. :)

I must admit, I have read from audio pros (or perhaps it was a video), they found no audible differences with silver, except when it came to guitars. strange

post #193 of 193
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Originally Posted by TheoS53 View Post

I recently put together a rig to measure response from IEMs, so I decided to test out the cable myth. 

I got a silver oxygen free cable with the stacking kit for my Fiio X5, and compared it to the original copper cable that came with my Fiio E12 amp.

The cables in question went between the audio box and the amp

Tests were done using REW V5

I tested both with the bass boost on, and off. 3 tests for each cable, a total of 6 for each cable

Frequency response:




Phase





I read about people saying that silver cables sounded brighter, so I checked that out too



Even zoomed in at a 0.1dB scale, absolutely no difference


So, from these measurements, it does indeed seem like there is absolutely no difference between the audio reproduction between silver and copper cables (as I had suspected). However, to be fair, this has only been a single test, and only 1 sample of each cable type was used

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