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post #856 of 4356
Agreed. The M3 is indeed a very, very good and powerful amp.

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post #857 of 4356
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Originally Posted by Lil' Knight View Post
Finally got my hands on the HD800. After an hour listening with my minimal setup (DacMagic+M3), it is indeed the best dynamic headphones I've ever heard, even better than the balanced HD600/650. Full of dynamic, great transient speed and detail, bass not as deep as the HD600/650.

However, I don't think it's better than my SR-007. The Omega2 still has better sense of music. I'll let in burn-in for at least 300h before making a final conclusion, but at least, my O2s are not worried.

It's indeed super huge for my lil' head:

Hi, How much bigger are the earcup of HD800 compare to Omega2 ? I have Dumbo ears, I am at the moment is leaning towards HD800 but if it isn't that much bigger I might go for Omega2. Can you do side by side shots of HD800 and Omega2 earcup ? Thanks
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Both of them are gone, sorry The DacMagic is just for the time being. I put a very high hope for my forthcoming DAC.

Getting a better dynamic amp (B22) this time would mean I'll enjoy music on the pavement.
Well your chosen path is a good one...the buffalo dac should be excellent. And the combo with the M3 just might work out as the HD 800 burns in...then you can try it balanced with your LD VI. Yup budgets do get in the way. My source' may not see a change till next year.
post #859 of 4356
My first impressions:

Source: Cambridge Azur 840c
Amp: Balanced Bijou, 6n1p / 6n6p tubes (sorry, no SE anything)
Cable: APS v3 (yes, now available)

Total burn time: Phones 11 hours, cables 6 hours

1. The hd800 is no harder to 'drive' than is the hd600, but it responds WAY better to being driven. The Bijou will drive K1000, so I am fairly certain the hd800 responds well to lots of dynamic headroom (having more power than you actually use).

2. Exceptionally fast - it is damn near he60 fast, and with better micro detail than the he60. I am hearing details heretofore not heard, like a chorus vocal overlay on Rhianna's 'Shut Up and Drive'. Truly a 'WTF was that' moment.

3. Dynamics - Literally shivers down the spine goodness on Tool's '10,000 Days'.

4 Balance - The Who's 'Real Me' has always been a standard for bass for me - it just sounds so balanced - bombastic bass, Keith Moon's drums crisp, the horns and guitar all PERFECTLY balanced - was that what Pete heard when he mixed / wrote it? Then, off to Neil Young 'After the Gold Rush', 'Don't Let It Bring You Down' - very sparse - Neil, guitar, drums and bass - nothing extra, no production, just music. Again, just presented what was there.

5. Bass - OK, maybe my amp and tubes - but anyone that thinks these are 'bass light' and lacking 'impact' - not in my rig. Whipped out the B-52s 'Good Stuff' - bone rattling bass, and neck breaking snap on the snare.

6. Texture - not a term I use often with headphones, and, honestly, not sure if it is the phones, synergy with the Bijou, or what, but Radiohead 'Paranoid Android' just has scrumptuous layers, all discrete, yet sintered into a ingle presentation.

Got many 000s of hours of rotations, genres, moods, and changes to go yet, so this is what I am hearing the first day. I am Senn fanboi #1, with my hd600, hd650, he60 sitting by idly (for now), as their new sibling is kicking their *****.

I can hardly wait until things are burned in - oh, and the amp I built for these phones (a transformer coupled tube amp) is almost ready to roll. The new he60 amp may be ready this weekend, so everything will be ready for the Texas Shootout on June 27th.

Thanks to Alex for the cable (delivered in person) and to Marc (luvdunhill) for the inpromptu mini-meet this afternoon. No better way to burn a half day of vacation.

All apologies - fair and balanced is not my bit.
post #860 of 4356
Great impression!
Can't wait to try a new cable for this baby.
post #861 of 4356
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
My first impressions:

Source: Cambridge Azur 840c
Amp: Balanced Bijou, 6n1p / 6n6p tubes (sorry, no SE anything)
Cable: APS v3 (yes, now available)

Total burn time: Phones 11 hours, cables 6 hours

1. The hd800 is no harder to 'drive' than is the hd600, but it responds WAY better to being driven. The Bijou will drive K1000, so I am fairly certain the hd800 responds well to lots of dynamic headroom (having more power than you actually use).

2. Exceptionally fast - it is damn near he60 fast, and with better micro detail than the he60. I am hearing details heretofore not heard, like a chorus vocal overlay on Rhianna's 'Shut Up and Drive'. Truly a 'WTF was that' moment.

3. Dynamics - Literally shivers down the spine goodness on Tool's '10,000 Days'.

4 Balance - The Who's 'Real Me' has always been a standard for bass for me - it just sounds so balanced - bombastic bass, Keith Moon's drums crisp, the horns and guitar all PERFECTLY balanced - was that what Pete heard when he mixed / wrote it? Then, off to Neil Young 'After the Gold Rush', 'Don't Let It Bring You Down' - very sparse - Neil, guitar, drums and bass - nothing extra, no production, just music. Again, just presented what was there.

5. Bass - OK, maybe my amp and tubes - but anyone that thinks these are 'bass light' and lacking 'impact' - not in my rig. Whipped out the B-52s 'Good Stuff' - bone rattling bass, and neck breaking snap on the snare.

6. Texture - not a term I use often with headphones, and, honestly, not sure if it is the phones, synergy with the Bijou, or what, but Radiohead 'Paranoid Android' just has scrumptuous layers, all discrete, yet sintered into a ingle presentation.

Got many 000s of hours of rotations, genres, moods, and changes to go yet, so this is what I am hearing the first day. I am Senn fanboi #1, with my hd600, hd650, he60 sitting by idly (for now), as their new sibling is kicking their *****.

I can hardly wait until things are burned in - oh, and the amp I built for these phones (a transformer coupled tube amp) is almost ready to roll. The new he60 amp may be ready this weekend, so everything will be ready for the Texas Shootout on June 27th.

Thanks to Alex for the cable (delivered in person) and to Marc (luvdunhill) for the inpromptu mini-meet this afternoon. No better way to burn a half day of vacation.

All apologies - fair and balanced is not my bit.
Good to read that my ears aren't the only ones hearing it like that.

I that think my HD800/WA6 competes very well with my HE60/GES (or my O2/GES and other stats for that matter). It will be interesting to see how the HD800 respond to the upgrade to my EC ZDT (another transformer coupled amp like the WA6 but balanced drive should help even more). It's due sometime this month according Craig.

Please keep us posted on how the HD800/HE60 compare with your new amps.
post #862 of 4356
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Well, the ZDT balanced drive should offer better control over the drivers. I have compared the SE input vs Balanced input on balanced amps, and the benefits to the balanced headphones seem to come from the balanced drive.

I did "Balanced input + single ended output" compared to "SE input + Balanced output" and the balanced output sounds better, even if the signal into the amp isn't. But I basically saw little benefit from changing the input from SE to balanced, hence the ZDT so I can drive my K1000 and SRD-7 Pro with it too (note - SP Sq Wave XL and HR Desktop Balanced both can take SE or balanced input, and drive phones with SE or balanced output).

If the ZDT doesn't do it for me, the Beta 22 balanced with speaker out may be the next one for me to consider.
The Square Wave XL and the HR balanced amp converts a single ended input into balanced using a phase splitter of some sort. That's why you should get all/most of the benefits of going balanced. Can the ZDT do this?
post #863 of 4356
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Have you compared APS v3 with the stock cable? How much better is it?
post #864 of 4356
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The Square Wave XL and the HR balanced amp converts a single ended input into balanced using a phase splitter of some sort. That's why you should get all/most of the benefits of going balanced. Can the ZDT do this?
I can't answer that question.
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I can't answer that question.
Make something up.
post #866 of 4356
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I can't answer that question.
I'm just saying that if it doesn't you won't get the benefits of going balanced. You should probably ask Craig.
post #867 of 4356
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Make something up.
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I'm just saying that if it doesn't you won't get the benefits of going balanced. You should probably ask Craig.
I will ask Craig - I seem to recall we discussed a little of this, but I'm not sure how he gets a dual differential transformer driven output.
post #868 of 4356
hpa, have you tried your hd800 with a portable usb dac/amp? How does it sound if you have?
post #869 of 4356
Any other HD800 owners hearing this weird spring creak? Other owners on the another forums stated that I should ask for an exchange...
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post #870 of 4356
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean View Post
IPodPJ, you mentioned earlier that the Beta22 was nice but didn’t make it on your list of best amps for the HD800. What configuration was that amp balanced or single ended?
Single.
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