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post #6556 of 6594
SMH.

Edited by sphinxvc - 2/6/13 at 10:45am
post #6557 of 6594

Not sure if that was sarcastic but modding components is surely necessary.  I have spent the time to mod mine or had them built/modded for me to my specifications for wiring, transformers, connectors, caps, resistors, tubes, etc.  This is not as hard as it might seem.   Once you've settled on a component it can (almost) always be made better.

post #6558 of 6594
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I'm interested in the hard-wiring mod.  How to get in contact with Stefan to get a quote?

 

James at Stefan Audio Art will help you:

 

stefanaudioart@yahoo.com

 

He can explain the various levels of modification.

post #6559 of 6594

Moon Black Dragon HD800 cable is great (I think I said this earlier).

It really targets the fatigue factor w/o loosening the bass or fogging things at all as I hear it.

Drew mentions something on his site about how his connections to the phone are better (& I guess it works based on what I hear).

I sure would do this before I mess around with modding the phone itself. At least the cable change is reversible (and you could even return the cable to Drew in the trial period if you don't like it).

post #6560 of 6594

Meh; I  guess that for cable nuts, buying a 15$ headphone cable extension is a no-no. biggrin.gif

I use one.

post #6561 of 6594
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Originally Posted by fejnomit View Post

I would actually twist the argument on its head and say cable modification/choice should be the FIRST thing you do - because otherwise you are not accurately *hearing* the HD800s or your source or your amp.  This goes for all cables - power, interconnect, umbilical - not just headphone cables.  Once you have found the most revealing cables you can find (to your years) - and they form a synergy across your entire playback chain - then and only then can you swap components in and out and hear them and judge them and decide which to keep.  I'm sorry but if you're running muddy, smearing, compressing cables from the fanciest amp and source in town into your HD800s, the music you hear is going to be plagued by issues that have NOTHING to do with any of the components and you are going to make inaccurate assumptions and choices about the recording and the entire playback chain.  

 

On the subject of mods, I can only give my most enthusiastic endorsement to Stefan Audio Art's current HD800 modifications, which involve removal of key resonating surfaces within the headphone assembly as well as hard-wiring of their cable directly to the driver.  I'm surprised no one here is talking about the effect of Senn's crappy connectors on the sound of the phones. 

 

Thanks, I think that is an interesting point. I have some good power cables, but my interconnects and other cables certainly could be upgraded. That's probably what I'll do next.

post #6562 of 6594
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Originally Posted by rgs9200m View Post

Moon Black Dragon HD800 cable is great (I think I said this earlier).

It really targets the fatigue factor w/o loosening the bass or fogging things at all as I hear it.

Drew mentions something on his site about how his connections to the phone are better (& I guess it works based on what I hear).

I sure would do this before I mess around with modding the phone itself. At least the cable change is reversible (and you could even return the cable to Drew in the trial period if you don't like it).

 

That seems like a well regarded cable. And it's about half the price of the Cardas Clear cable I was looking at. Has anyone here heard the Cardas Clear cable with the HD 800?

post #6563 of 6594

Drew (and other headphone cable specialists) make their cable specifically for headphones. I believe the Cardas ones are the same cable originally designed for ICs and speaker cabling.

post #6564 of 6594

I also use the Black Dragon and much prefer it to the stock cable.....

post #6565 of 6594
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Originally Posted by philo50 View Post

I also use the Black Dragon and much prefer it to the stock cable.....

 

Would you recommend the Black Dragon HD800 cable over the Silver Dragon HD800 cable?

post #6566 of 6594

seriously get copper cable! it has so much better tone.. 

 

I like copper cable so much i'll be the first one in the world recabling my STAX SR-009 to copper cable. I can't take the original silverplated copper cable.. ouch

post #6567 of 6594
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Originally Posted by fejnomit View Post

 

James at Stefan Audio Art will help you:

 

stefanaudioart@yahoo.com

 

He can explain the various levels of modification.

 

 

just how much a difference are we talking about?  i see there was a little talk from the hd800 cable thread and nobody ever talk again.

post #6568 of 6594

It's hard to quantify differences in objective terms.  All ears are different, etc.  To me there is no going back to anything stock.  That's me.  After a long journey.  I would say go to meets.  Try things out.  Borrow things.  Steal things... Learn to listen critically, that's the point.  Once you train yourself to really listen, then subtle changes won't be subtle anymore and bad cable geometries with smearing, compressing "audiophile" connectors (even some that pass for good here) will no longer be tolerable...

post #6569 of 6594
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Listening to Buena Vista Social Club's self titled masterpiece.. ODAC --> LP G109-S --> HD800... and it sounds gorgeous.  Imaging, tonal accuracy, instrument separation, inner detail.. everything effortlessly amalgamates into a beautiful musical experience.

i know you are hearing great sound as your system is; but i hope that one day you'll hear this masterwork in high resolution, in particular a needledrop of the Classic Records 45 RPM vinyl pressing. it will be akin to moving up to the HD800 from a porta-pro; it will be 10 times as amazing as the difference between the stock td11 tube and those you've found that you like much more.


Edited by analog'd - 2/6/13 at 5:44pm
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Let me say upfront that I in the past have invested enormous amounts of money on cables. I agree cables do make a difference, I also agree that it is difficult to quantify the differences in objective terms. Let me try to put  the investment in cables into perspective. Most important thing to remind here is the law of diminishing returns versus your system sounds as good as the weakest link.

 

Let me give an example. A system that consists of a 500 dollar cd player and 500 dollar amplifier driving the Sennheiser HD800 with stock cables. I have 1000 dollar to spend, where would I spend it on? I would spend it on either the cd player or the amplifier, because I think the improvement of going from a 500 to a 1500 dollar cd player or amplifier is greater than the improvement I would get if I spend all my money on a headphone cable.

 

Now what if my system consists of a 10.000 dollar cd player and 10.000 dollar amplifier driving the Sennheiser HD800 with stock cable, and you have the same 1000 dollar to spend. Than I would spend the money on the headphone cable because I think that will give me most improvement. But in this system no matter where you spend the money on, the differences (improvements) are always more subtle than 1000 dollar spend in the first system.  But I agree these subtle differences can make the final click to make your system magical, and as such although subtle can be profound.

 

Personally, I think I was stupid paying huge amounts of money on cables, but I am glad I did….Cables last a lifetime. That is why I agree with Fejnomid that you have to spend money on the most transparent and ‘neutral’ cables you can find. I would warn against spending money on cables as a tone control of your current system, because when you change things in your system you have to change the cables as well. And again, if your system is for instance too bright, you get more improvements from spending your money on a ‘warm’ cd player or amplifier than on a ‘warm’ cable. And if you use a tube amplifier, in my opinion changing tubes are a better and (sometimes) cheaper tone control of your system than cables.

Hope this helps.


Edited by playitloud - 2/7/13 at 3:17am
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