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post #6511 of 6593

Surely.  The best things in life aren't free (nor cheap).  On that note, I know of the perfect cable for the HD800s.  Just ask me to find out which one it is (there's a nominal fee of $40).

post #6512 of 6593
Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

Surely.  The best things in life aren't free (nor cheap).  On that note, I know of the perfect cable for the HD800s.  Just ask me to find out which one it is (there's a nominal fee of $40).

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Is there a Nigerian bank account I can send the payment to?

post #6513 of 6593

Just recieved my frequency chart from senn :) don't really see 6k bump I think?

post #6514 of 6593

Nice.

post #6515 of 6593
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Originally Posted by senson View Post

Just recieved my frequency chart from senn :) don't really see 6k bump I think?

 

*Paid lots of money for a high-end statement headphone* 

*Listens, hears brightness. Gets graph, shows peak.* 

*Sennheiser fixes the "issue"* 

*I, and other earlier buyers are not offered a replacement* 


I like you, Sennheiser. My Momentum has become one of my most beloved items. But this is not cool,  IMHO. 
 

post #6516 of 6593
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

 

*Paid lots of money for a high-end statement headphone* 

*Listens, hears brightness. Gets graph, shows peak.* 

*Sennheiser fixes the "issue"* 

*I, and other earlier buyers are not offered a replacement* 


I like you, Sennheiser. My Momentum has become one of my most beloved items. But this is not cool,  IMHO. 
 


Those graphs are as useful as a world map drawn by a 5 y.o.

 

Too simplified. Too much smoothing.

 

And regarding the "fixed" issue. Just buy some felt tape and do a correct fix.

Resonances in a chamber will still be resonances in a chamber unless they're dampened away. Either by (1) modifying the driver or (2) dampening the chamber. The first is highly unlikely considering the costs linked to changing the driver. The latter, just remove the dust cover, therefore, nope, not that either.

 

Ergo. Replacement?

 

/V

post #6517 of 6593
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What I find amazing about the HD800 is what it can resolve. When I want to hear what really on a complex recording I switch from my At3000 to the HD800. The complexity of the recording plus details in the recordings and more import the gear coming from the hD800 is really iMO not equaled by any other headphone I have owned or heard. I cant think of a better headphone to really use to see what a piece of gear can do. I am so glad that I drank the Koolaid  on my second tine around with the HD800. It is really let me hear how good the V200 is as an amplifier and the complexity of Patricia Barber new album SMASH. The music can be complex and the HD800 resolves every nuance in the recording and the V200 let me hear it all.

Oh yea, especially with "Spring Song", track 6.  It really highlights the stand up bass, and the HD800's reveal so much detail there.  These phones can go DEEP when the material demands it....

 

At this point, the HD800's are the only over-the-ear cans I own.  Any second set I had previously would just sit on the stand collecting dust!

post #6518 of 6593

It's worth trying those same tracks with the D7000 as well. It has better resolving power. The HD800 is however better in its dynamic range.
 

post #6519 of 6593
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Originally Posted by ValentinHogea View Post


Those graphs are as useful as a world map drawn by a 5 y.o.

 

Too simplified. Too much smoothing.

 

And regarding the "fixed" issue. Just buy some felt tape and do a correct fix.

Resonances in a chamber will still be resonances in a chamber unless they're dampened away. Either by (1) modifying the driver or (2) dampening the chamber. The first is highly unlikely considering the costs linked to changing the driver. The latter, just remove the dust cover, therefore, nope, not that either.

 

Ergo. Replacement?

 

/V

 

If you have to tape in a 1500 dollar headphone to make it sound right, then clearly the manufacturer made a mistake..

post #6520 of 6593
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

 

*Paid lots of money for a high-end statement headphone* 

*Listens, hears brightness. Gets graph, shows peak.* 

*Sennheiser fixes the "issue"* 

*I, and other earlier buyers are not offered a replacement* 


I like you, Sennheiser. My Momentum has become one of my most beloved items. But this is not cool,  IMHO. 
 

If you look at the graph submitted here by other members you won't see any 6k peak too.

I'm thinking that the correction done by Sennheiser on the graph regarding "diffusion field" or else are not optimal.

And I agree with ValentineHooga, when he says:

"Those graphs are as useful as a world map drawn by a 5 y.o."

post #6521 of 6593
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

If you look at the graph submitted here by other members you won't see any 6k peak too.

I'm thinking that the correction done by Sennheiser on the graph regarding "diffusion field" or else are not optimal.

And I agree with ValentineHooga, when he says:

"Those graphs are as useful as a world map drawn by a 5 y.o."

 

But more and more people are reporting not hearing any 6khz peak?

post #6522 of 6593
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

 

But more and more people are reporting not hearing any 6khz peak?


Actually it's not a peak for me, but a wide , smooth hump. Something that I may forget if I  don't pay too much attention. But I didn't notice Hd800 brightness, before I've read people mentioning it wink.gif

post #6523 of 6593
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Originally Posted by ValentinHogea View Post


Those graphs are as useful as a world map drawn by a 5 y.o.

 

Too simplified. Too much smoothing.

 

And regarding the "fixed" issue. Just buy some felt tape and do a correct fix.

Resonances in a chamber will still be resonances in a chamber unless they're dampened away. Either by (1) modifying the driver or (2) dampening the chamber. The first is highly unlikely considering the costs linked to changing the driver. The latter, just remove the dust cover, therefore, nope, not that either.

 

Ergo. Replacement?

 

/V

I'm perplexed.

 

I thought it was a 3 kHz peak that irritated people so much.  But then maybe it has grown up to 6 kHz!!

 

Me, no peaks in the HD800 causing any worry here.bigsmile_face.gif

 

John

post #6524 of 6593
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Originally Posted by Tassie Devil View Post

I'm perplexed.

 

I thought it was a 3 kHz peak that irritated people so much.  But then maybe it has grown up to 6 kHz!!

If you read the FlySweep review, it becomes an 8k spike.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/426508/sennheiser-hd800-appreciation-thread/6480#post_9123856

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G109 seems to offer an elegant tinge of smoothness that maintains the HD800's terrific transparency while gently taking the 'edge' off the 8K spike.
post #6525 of 6593
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post

If you have to tape in a 1500 dollar headphone to make it sound right, then clearly the manufacturer made a mistake..

 

Yeah, absolutely Sennheiser made a big error. However, they also created one of the absolutely best dynamic headphones ever created. So should we be thankful or disgrateful?

 

I look at it as follows:

 

1) It's a pretty benign flaw, that it can be fixed with 15 USD worth of material.

2) It's much easier to remove ringing due to chamber acoustics, than to add something that isn't there in the first place. E.g. create soundstage/imaging in headphones that are lacking, e.g. Audez'e's. Or create bass texture in the overly-distorted HD700. Etc. Etc.

 

However I do not want to start a flame war.

 

Objective evidence exists regarding the chamber acoustics of the HD800 (search for Analixus mod, arnaud etc. for lots and lots of info or check: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/diy-modification-sennheiser-hd-800-anaxilus-mod) and subjective evidence exists of both ringing and not hearing ringing. It is to my knowledge not possible to remove ringing due to chamber acoustics without either changing the chamber or changing the driver. Neither has happened.

 

Those that hear none, are blessed. More music and less hard feelings. Those that hear it, well, there's a quick fix. redface.gif

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tassie Devil View Post

I'm perplexed.

 

I thought it was a 3 kHz peak that irritated people so much.  But then maybe it has grown up to 6 kHz!!

 

Me, no peaks in the HD800 causing any worry here.bigsmile_face.gif

 

John

To my knowledge I haven't discussed wether it's a 3 kHz peak or a 6 kHz peak. Don't know why you're quoting me on that! :)

 

However: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/diy-modification-sennheiser-hd-800-anaxilus-mod

 

Further reading:

Anax 1.0: http://www.head-fi.org/t/577530/hd800-anaxilus-mod

 

All the best,

V

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