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post #6211 of 6594

 The HD800 should be in the high end forum and this question has been asked without getting a no response from the moderator . There does seem odd a major premium high end headphone lingers in the regular forum instead of the high end forum where it belongs.


Edited by Frank I - 1/10/13 at 5:24am
post #6212 of 6594

We should eliminate the high end forum. What is "high end" anyway, other than expensive and overpriced? It also creates an effect of snobbery, like the "great stuff" is here and the other crap is in the regular forums.

post #6213 of 6594
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 It also creates an effect of snobbery, like the "great stuff" is here and the other crap is in the regular forums.

Yep, but that's how the high end market manage to work.  You want to hear the "greatest stuff", especially if they imply that what you own is crap.

Then you buy the "greatest stuff" , only to realize that your previous headphone wasn't so "crappy". But then there's law of "diminishing return" BS, but Sennheiser sold so many hd800 that I'm sure they could decrease price if they wanted .

post #6214 of 6594

Ian, sounds (pun perhaps intended) like you're on the right track. I assume the wire you're using in the mod is not yet broken in and even the solder joints require some time; I'm sure the sound will improve further as you use them.

 

I think you have a good idea, here!

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We should eliminate the high end forum. What is "high end" anyway, other than expensive and overpriced? It also creates an effect of snobbery, like the "great stuff" is here and the other crap is in the regular forums.

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post #6216 of 6594

Well I ordered my HD800, arriving Saturday!

post #6217 of 6594

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Originally Posted by Dr.J

I assume the wire you're using in the mod is not yet broken in....

 

 

 

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The wire has about 18 years use!  Although I think for about 10 years it was not used much.  Latterly it connected my CD player, or PC, to my mono blocks.  Fitted it to head phones about 2 years ago and has been used more or less daily since then.
 

In this HD800 mod there's just the two new Wonder Solder joints.

 

The headphone amp and PSU have had about 11 and 9 months powered up 24/7.  There seemed to be a change for the better with the sound in about September but I don't know why. Imaging and focus of everything improved.


Edited by Ian S - 1/10/13 at 8:31am
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What's the new Amp and DAC?



Gungnir and a La Figaro 339 :)

 

My initial impressions of HD800 vs LCD-2 definitely leads to a preference for the latter... there's an undeniable visceral impact to the music that I never thought was missing in the HD650 :)

post #6219 of 6594

Hi Ian - thanks so much for your detailed posts in response to my questions about your comparative cable testing.  It sounds like you and your friend have gone to great lengths to study these effects by ear.  Am I correctly understanding that you think he may still have some or all of this data available, in the form of the recordings you made?  If so, and if there is a way to compare, chart and graph it, you might be in a pretty unique position in terms of shedding some light on the great cable debate.  If it is possible, and if you ever have a chance to publish this in some form, I know a lot of us cable agnostics would love to see it.  (Maybe I just spent too much time reading Hume as an undergrad (thus the handle), but absent measurements, I just see post-purchase justification phenomena and/or confirmation bias as better explanations for perceived changes, as compared to audible improvements based on headphone cables.  Factors you pointed out, like earwax, one ear possibly being better than the other, atmospheric pressure, low level background noise etc. only further complicate matters.)  

 

Also, thank you for clarifying that there is no issue in so far as ports are concerned with respect to direct wiring.  I hadn't realized that the connectors were sealed off.  I do wonder about possible vibrations though from the new hardware you installed.  Sennheiser used several patented plastics in the housing of these headphones to eliminate resonances and vibrations.  Introducing metal fixtures into the equation in order to secure the silver wires seems as though it might have its own problems.  Thoughts?

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Hi Ian - thanks so much for your detailed posts in response to my questions about your comparative cable testing.  It sounds like you and your friend have gone to great lengths to study these effects by ear.  Am I correctly understanding that you think he may still have some or all of this data available, in the form of the recordings you made?  If so, and if there is a way to compare, chart and graph it, you might be in a pretty unique position in terms of shedding some light on the great cable debate.  If it is possible, and if you ever have a chance to publish this in some form, I know a lot of us cable agnostics would love to see it.  (Maybe I just spent too much time reading Hume as an undergrad (thus the handle), but absent measurements, I just see post-purchase justification phenomena and/or confirmation bias as better explanations for perceived changes, as compared to audible improvements based on headphone cables.  Factors you pointed out, like earwax, one ear possibly being better than the other, atmospheric pressure, low level background noise etc. only further complicate matters.)  

 

Also, thank you for clarifying that there is no issue in so far as ports are concerned with respect to direct wiring.  I hadn't realized that the connectors were sealed off.  I do wonder about possible vibrations though from the new hardware you installed.  Sennheiser used several patented plastics in the housing of these headphones to eliminate resonances and vibrations.  Introducing metal fixtures into the equation in order to secure the silver wires seems as though it might have its own problems.  Thoughts?

 

Honestly, there is no more debate in my mind. I could hear cable differences from the outset, but as my setup has improved, these differences have only become more pronounced. It has gotten to the point where I can easily point out which cable material is being used on my HD800s and HE6s blind. 10/10 times.

 

The trick is to learn the sound of the cable so you know what to look for in comparison to other cables.

 

Crucially, I have found cable differences to be far clearer when switching materials. Almost every aftermarket copper cable of decent quality I've tried sounds nearly identical, and produces nearly identical improvements over mediocre stock cords. It's when I switch from copper to silver or vice versa that I can really pick out variations reliably and consistently. IME, wire material has the greatest effect on its sound. More than geometry, gauge etc.

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Honestly, there is no more debate in my mind. I could hear cable differences from the outset, but as my setup has improved, these differences have only become more pronounced. It has gotten to the point where I can easily point out which cable material is being used on my HD800s and HE6s blind. 10/10 times.

 

The trick is to learn the sound of the cable so you know what to look for in comparison to other cables.

 

Crucially, I have found cable differences to be far clearer when switching materials. Almost every aftermarket copper cable of decent quality I've tried sounds nearly identical, and produces nearly identical improvements over mediocre stock cords. It's when I switch from copper to silver or vice versa that I can really pick out variations reliably and consistently. IME, wire material has the greatest effect on its sound. More than geometry, gauge etc.

 

Shahrose,

Very good post..

Recently,with my HD800's & he-6's ,I've tried a number of various cables,Moon Silver Dragon v3, .DHC,silver/copper.,and soon to have a Q copper cable.

After some discussions/screaming sessions,, with other head-fiers,who have tried to convince me that "all cables sound alike"..I have to say,..they don't .

Using these other cables ,with some of my music,gives me a variety of SQ's ..,and I find myself enjoying ,the DHC silver/copper ,with my emo speaker amp  & the he-6,imho,its a perfect match..for my ears.,anyway.

But maybe others hear things differently ...??..just my .02 cents


Edited by mikek200 - 1/10/13 at 10:58pm
post #6223 of 6594

The people who say all cables sound the same are like colourblind people who say there is no colour.

 

Just because they can't hear the difference doesn't mean there is no difference.

 

Take it from a skeptic who was amazed that he could hear the difference and was accused of confirmation bias.

Work that one out - confirmation bias charges against a skeptic who was honest enough to tell what he heard.

Some people aren't happy unless they can tell you what you should be experiencing.

post #6224 of 6594

Glad a cable debate came up.  

 
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Seems the LCD-2, HE-500 and T1 threads were banished from Summit-Fi to this sub-forum. Curious as to why the dedicated HD800 thread continues to slum it here.

 

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Now you know.

post #6225 of 6594

I really don't want to 'combine' the Summit-fi and regular 'Full Sized Cans' sections. I'm fine with not calling it Summit-fi, and opening it up to stuff a little more reasonably priced (HE500), but I really don't want to have to wade through FiiO threads all day either.

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