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post #5611 of 6600

I don't think Sennheiser makes $1500 on every purchase. At 20k units sold I would say they're coming to breaking even rather than making profit just yet, however the HD800 is nowhere near being discontinued and I imagine they will start making profit very soon in the future.

post #5612 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Gamerzhell View Post

I don't think Sennheiser makes $1500 on every purchase. At 20k units sold I would say they're coming to breaking even rather than making profit just yet, however the HD800 is nowhere near being discontinued and I imagine they will start making profit very soon in the future.


I am pretty sure they broke even sometime ago as the industrial engineering process must have been refined to the point that it should be a low-cost manufacturing process. However, I can only speculate.


Edited by dukeskd - 10/6/12 at 8:31pm
post #5613 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

Don't forget the source. Source source source.

 

Mediocre source + great amp = mediocre sound.


So true.

 

I rate the source above the amp in order of importance.

 

GIGO! wink_face.gif

 

And as for reaching 20.000 - that's pretty cool!

 

I wonder what the profit on each unit is.


Edited by TwoEars - 10/6/12 at 10:31pm
post #5614 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Gamerzhell View Post

I don't think Sennheiser makes $1500 on every purchase. At 20k units sold I would say they're coming to breaking even rather than making profit just yet, however the HD800 is nowhere near being discontinued and I imagine they will start making profit very soon in the future.
Obviously they don't make 1500 on each headphone, but in the TOTL space, usually it's a lossy product designed to generate interest in a company because of what they can do. Look at the Orpheus, I can't imagine they ever gained a profit off of sales directly, but it showed what they can do and got people on board because of it. Now the Orpheus was a true statement product and never intended to be a sales success, but with most companies the top of the line is the statement. Right now that's the HD800.
Edited by Maxvla - 10/6/12 at 10:45pm
post #5615 of 6600
I've seen it posted on head-fi before that different incarnations of the HD 800 sound different and yesterday I compared my HD 800 (s/n 2xxx) to a newer HD 800 (s/n 6xxx) and definitely heard a difference in sonic performance between them. With my HD 800 there was more of a sheen on the treble and less sub bass impact; the newer HD 800 had smoother treble and noticeably weightier bass.

When I tried my Black Dragon cable, I liked the sound of it with my HD 800 but found that with the newer HD 800 the cable made the treble too subdued and the bass a bit too muddy for my preference.

This experiment again showed me how the right cable can definitely make a headphone sound better ('better' bring entirely personal preference). It also showed me how analysing equipment can give me a sore head and take away from enjoyment of the music, though obviously with the right equipment musical enjoyment can be enhanced.

Though I have enjoyed other flagship headphones such as the Fostex TH900 and the Audez'e LCD 2/3, all of which have prominent bass performace and can feel immensely satisfying to me, I'm still very drawn to the HD800 which gets out of the way and reveals the music so clearly in a way that seems to grab me deeper than any other headphone I've tried.
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I've seen it posted on head-fi before that different incarnations of the HD 800 sound different and yesterday I compared my HD 800 (s/n 2xxx) to a newer HD 800 (s/n 6xxx) and definitely heard a difference in sonic performance between them. With my HD 800 there was more of a sheen on the treble and less sub bass impact; the newer HD 800 had smoother treble and noticeably weightier bass.
When I tried my Black Dragon cable, I liked the sound of it with my HD 800 but found that with the newer HD 800 the cable made the treble too subdued and the bass a bit too muddy for my preference.
This experiment again showed me how the right cable can definitely make a headphone sound better ('better' bring entirely personal preference). It also showed me how analysing equipment can give me a sore head and take away from enjoyment of the music, though obviously with the right equipment musical enjoyment can be enhanced.
Though I have enjoyed other flagship headphones such as the Fostex TH900 and the Audez'e LCD 2/3, all of which have prominent bass performace and can feel immensely satisfying to me, I'm still very drawn to the HD800 which gets out of the way and reveals the music so clearly in a way that seems to grab me deeper than any other headphone I've tried.

 

The break-in on these headphones is also quite substantial - I think people are talking on the magnitude of several hundred hours.

post #5617 of 6600

Hello. I'm looking now for a higher level amp of my Meier Classic.

Pretenders are: Bryston BHA-1, SPL Phonitor, Burson Soloist, Luxman P-200. No tubes.

 

I like a natural sound with saturated timbres, but not a sharp and harshness. With good supply of bass.

Music as more is a progressive rock and not much instrumental.

 

What can you aadvice me about that?    

post #5618 of 6600
The Mjolnir fits those criteria, the BHA-1 does not.
post #5619 of 6600
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Hello. I'm looking now for a higher level amp of my Meier Classic.

Pretenders are: Bryston BHA-1, SPL Phonitor, Burson Soloist, Luxman P-200. No tubes.

 

I like a natural sound with saturated timbres, but not a sharp and harshness. With good supply of bass.

Music as more is a progressive rock and not much instrumental.

 

What can you aadvice me about that?    

 

I haven't listened to it but the Violectic V200 should be a contender I think.

 

And I think you can rule out the Phonitor.

post #5620 of 6600
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The break-in on these headphones is also quite substantial - I think people are talking on the magnitude of several hundred hours.

 

You're probably right. I've not had an HD 800 from new and haven't noticed much of a difference (if any) in sound over time since acquiring my HD 800. The frequency response of difference HD 800s does vary and I'm also thinking that the sound definitely varies from headphone to headphone in the same way it does with cymbals - a high quality cymbal company can make two cymbals that are exactly the same model and each cymbal can sound distinctly different.

post #5621 of 6600
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Originally Posted by danik97 View Post

Hello. I'm looking now for a higher level amp of my Meier Classic.

Pretenders are: Bryston BHA-1, SPL Phonitor, Burson Soloist, Luxman P-200. No tubes.

 

I like a natural sound with saturated timbres, but not a sharp and harshness. With good supply of bass.

Music as more is a progressive rock and not much instrumental.

 

What can you aadvice me about that?    

 

Wait for the HDVA 600 or HDVD 800.
post #5622 of 6600

I've read about Mjolnir comparison with BHA-1 and Bryston called "warmer" confused_face_2.gif

 

I thought about V200 too, just I think would be to much "natural and bass impact" wink.gif

 

I need a natural, neutral, clean sound. Just without crisps and sharp.

 

HVDA 600 and HVDVD 800 it's interesting idea, bit pricey than I planned for a amp. regular_smile%20.gif

post #5623 of 6600
IMO the BHA-1 is all around better than the Mjolnir, but it does have an attack about it that is on the sharp side, which you said you didn't want. The Mjolnir is still excellent and is nearly as detailed, but without any sharpness. I have them side by side and have been auditioning them for a week and a half now. With the price difference, it's a tough call, IMO.
post #5624 of 6600

 Hm, it is helpful and interesting information. Thank you, Maxvia. One is the reason off the Mjolnir is that need to recable HD800 and LCD-2. It's costs too.

And couldn't to listen another headphones. Needs more resolution for that. 

post #5625 of 6600
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DAC + transport, and I'm not saying what you have now is bad. But, I see you're aiming for a high-end setup with your amp and headphones. It's only fitting you have a source to match so your chain's not bottlenecked.

What do you mean by transport?

Regarding the m903 DAC it is excellent. Take a look at some performance data.

http://en.goldenears.net/index.php?mid=GR_DAC_Amp&document_srl=11864

http://www.gracedesign.com/products/m903/m903.htm

I do not believe that it is a "bottleneck" in any sense. It has balanced outs as well. So I guess that I am more confused than anything. There are very few units that out perform it in the consumer realm, hence my confusion.

 

I just noticed that your Grace 903 made it into the top (A+) category in Stereophile's "2012 Recommended Components Digital Processors" list, beating out DACs that cost much more including the Zodiac Gold / Voltikus power supply bundle @ $4495 among a few others from makers like Bryston, Esoteric, Meridian and Bel Canto.

 

So congrats! I don't think there's anything to be concerned about wink.gif

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