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post #5221 of 6600
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

 I think it's the very clean sound, and the deep bass that  would be for me the main selling points of the hd800.

Agreed :)

 

Is quite shocking how similar (in the grand scheme of things) the two headphones are though!

post #5222 of 6600

So, a guy on a classified I just ran across (a now closed classified) bought 4 pairs of HD800s to hear the purported differences between high serial #s & low ones.  He was selling all of them at once and described himself as "stupid and gullible."

 

Makes you wonder if there's any variation at all.  There are too many wrenches lying around that can be thrown into the "high serial # > low 6khz peak" theory.  Our graphs are not much in the way of proof, 'cause how do we know Sennheiser takes multiple measurements and averages them to account for variation?  Those simple lego block graphs don't inspire much confidence either.

post #5223 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post

 

 - And now for something completely different: -

 

There's one issue I have with the HD800, related to the bass. No, I don't think it's too weak, but rather that it sounds monotonous - one-note sounding if you will - which somehow doesn't sound natural to me. Yes, it extends very well and it's well controlled too, but I find that it is lacking in what you might call "bass texture". Heck, even the HD600 is better in this regard, despite the mid-bass bump and despite the mediocre extension. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

Yes, with the right (wrong) DAC and valve combination I get a slight mid bass hump that is both indistinct and draws attention to itself.  I don't know if it's the same thing you're hearing, but 'one-notey' and 'unnatural' covers it.  Putting a leaner DAC with those valves, or leaner valves with that DAC resolves the issue. I'd try experimenting with different combos.

post #5224 of 6600
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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

So, a guy on a classified I just ran across (a now closed classified) bought 4 pairs of HD800s to hear the purported differences between high serial #s & low ones.  He was selling all of them at once and described himself as "stupid and gullible."

 

Makes you wonder if there's any variation at all.  There are too many wrenches lying around that can be thrown into the "high serial # > low 6khz peak" theory.  Our graphs are not much in the way of proof, 'cause how do we know Sennheiser takes multiple measurements and averages them to account for variation?  Those simple lego block graphs don't inspire much confidence either.

 

Hate to say it, but after measuring 4 different ones, the theory is more myth than reality.  There are very slight product variations but nothing like the conspiracy theory reported about tuning bigger bass or smaller 6khz peaks.  

post #5225 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

 

Hate to say it, but after measuring 4 different ones, the theory is more myth than reality.  There are very slight product variations but nothing like the conspiracy theory reported about tuning bigger bass or smaller 6khz peaks.  

 

That's another 4x combo multiplier data point, thx.

post #5226 of 6600

Missing my HD 800s already. Stepping back to a T1 was a BIG downgrade in my setup-though I'm not convinced the Tesla sounded the same as my prior one. I'll be ordering another Senn within two weeks to pair with my ZDSE and soon-to-arrive Eximus DP1. It's definitely hard going back to anything after putting the HD 800 in a proper rig, that's for sure. Lesson learned.

 

-Daniel

post #5227 of 6600

Btw everyone -- "Night Fight", Tan Dun & Yo-Yo Ma, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon OST -- multi-note bass galore if your gear is up to it.

post #5228 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Hate to say it, but after measuring 4 different ones, the theory is more myth than reality.  There are very slight product variations but nothing like the conspiracy theory reported about tuning bigger bass or smaller 6khz peaks.  
That's what I thought. Thanks for the info and the time consuming work!
post #5229 of 6600
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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

Missing my HD 800s already. Stepping back to a T1 was a BIG downgrade in my setup-though I'm not convinced the Tesla sounded the same as my prior one. I'll be ordering another Senn within two weeks to pair with my ZDSE and soon-to-arrive Eximus DP1. It's definitely hard going back to anything after putting the HD 800 in a proper rig, that's for sure. Lesson learned.

-Daniel
If you are ordering a new one, get a Colorware one in the colors you want biggrin.gif
post #5230 of 6600
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Hi,
I spent about 3 hours tonight auditioning my K702s, and some loaner HD800s using my home rig ( iMac > Decibel > Grace Design m903). Here are my initial impressions:
HD800: Lots of air, less bright than AKGs. Highest resolution in terms of detail, more placement instrument location than AKGs, sound surrounds your head more than is within it. Bass is well resolved to atleast 30 Hz and rolled off in deepest ambient tones. Most comfortable to wear of the trio, light, soft and cool to wear.
If you love high resolution detail, a neutral and balanced sound, airy mids and high frequency ambience and a surrounding soundstage in a comfortable set of headphones these are for you...
K 702: Lots of air, brighter, similar to H800 in many ways but with less resolution, least precision of instrument location, sound field more outside your head than inside. Bass is well resolved >50 Hz but attenuated below. More comfortable than K702s (light, cool but touch of cheekbone pressure and top of head).
The AKGs present a bright, detailed presentation with an airy, less precise, surrounding soundstage with a tight, but somewhat attenuated deep bass in a light weight medium comfort cans. At 1/5th the price of the Sennheisers that represent a tremendous value.
Bob

Bob, that is a very nice appraisal.  Besides the two HD800s (and yes there is a subtle difference between them) I have two AKG 702s, one with an upmarket cable (black Moon?) and the differences between the AKG & Sennies are there but not chalk and cheese.  The AKGs are very good and music via them can be enjoyable BUT the HD800s ARE better as you describe as well as being more comfortable.  I guess those Stax are also that much better again as recently posted but one has to draw the line somewhere.  I'm surprised no one else has tried the NuForce DAC9 with the HD 800s - to these ears the synergy is sublime.

post #5231 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Tassie Devil View Post

 and the differences between the AKG & Sennies are there but not chalk and cheese. 

Then it's surprising how much Unkle Erik bashed the k701, and praised the hd800.

But I imagine that the experience with a particular headphone could evolve with time .

Unkle Erik said once he liked better the hd800, once  he found the good synergy with a source.

Personally I think that the hd800 have qualities that can't be denied, but some people feel the  need to  overstate those qualities; probably because of the price.

post #5232 of 6600
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


If you are ordering a new one, get a Colorware one in the colors you want biggrin.gif

 

I've been toying with the idea of getting a 2nd HD800 but in all black like the one you have but that probably requires selling the AD2k which I don't really want to do. At this point I'm completely satisfied with what I have and don't really have the need or desire to buy whatever else comes out which does mean I have more cash than anticipated considering the nature of this hobby...

post #5233 of 6600
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Then it's surprising how much Unkle Erik bashed the k701, and praised the hd800.

But I imagine that the experience with a particular headphone could evolve with time .

Unkle Erik said once he liked better the hd800, once  he found the good synergy with a source.

Personally I think that the hd800 have qualities that can't be denied, but some people feel the  need to  overstate those qualities; probably because of the price.

Maybe there are two important factors coming into play here -

 

1. The synergy between the phones and DAC/headamp

2. Personal preferences (I dare say prejudices, built up over the years)

 

I have read many criticisms of the AKG 701/702 for lack of bass - not so to these ears.  It is well balanced and not bloated, yet obviously some prefer bloated bass.  There have been similar criticisms re highs, mids and lows on the net re the HD800 and the NuForce DAC9.  The basic weakness underlying a lot, if not all, of these criticisms is most likely inferior digital input.  Both the Sennies and the NuForce apply GIGO with a vengeance so show up weaknesses earlier in the chain.

 

But the bottom line is that if anyone dislikes a certain component for the audio they accuse it of being responsible, then it is not for them.  The problem here is that they promulgate their negative feelings on the net so the unwary can unfairly put a black mark against the product.  But of course the converse also holds - people raving how good their new toy is to bolster the reputation of a product that might not deserve it.  But then we all love our HD800s - not a trace of prejudice showing up here is there!!

 

John

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Trying to figure out if these headphones are for me.

 

Just to give you a point of reference for what I'm used to, I have a mid fi system: Paradigm Studio 100's, SVS Sub, Integra 40.1 pre/pro, Emotiva XPA-5, Oppo BDP-83, Apple TV. My music is on both my computer and iPhone.  My CD's are transferred as lossless format, and I have a fair number of songs downloaded from iTunes in their default format. I listen mostly to classic rock, alternative, and some pop. I currently have a pair of Audio Technica ESW9's - they do the job, but I want better.

 

My problem is that I have small kids, a wife, and two dogs; none of them share my enjoyment cranking the tunes.  And the only time I really have to enjoy my music is after the kids are in bed.  So using the loudspeakers is out of the question unless I want to listen at low levels - why bother! I don't like to make my ears bleed, but I do like it loud enough to get the full benefit of the dynamics of the music.

 

So I have begun the quest to get a headphone setup that will draw me in on a nightly basis.

 

I went to my local HiFi store today and auditioned the HD800's and all I could say is wow.  I'm no audiophile, nor am I very articulate, so it's a bit hard for me to explain what I heard.  The music just sounded "real" to me, as if I weren't wearing headphones at all.  I loved it.  But one thing kept going through my mind - where is the bass? I kept switching back and forth between a pair of HD650's and the HD800's and the difference was striking.  The HD650's definitely had the bass I was looking for, but they sounded like headphones!  The mids and highs sounded muffled by comparison. I preferred what I was hearing in the HD800's, but this bass question is really nagging at me.

 

There are really two environments that I will use these: connected to the Integra 40.1 with either the Oppo player or Apple TV as the source; or laying in bed.  When I am in bed, the only option I currently have is to use the iPhone.

 

I'm guessing that they would sound OK connected to the stereo system, but I know that connecting to the iPhone will be a problem.  I don't want to spend a fortune here, but I do enjoy my bedtime listening.  What would you recommend to augment my iPhone for that scenario?  Or am I just wasting my time with the HD800's because without the "proper" setup I'll always be dissatisfied with the bass?  The last thing I want to do is invest a big chunk of money into these and end up unhappy. I'm willing to spend some money on a headphone amp if it will adequately compliment the iPhone.

 

Suggestions?

 

Edit: For the bedroom I could dedicate my old MacBook Pro to drive a DAC and Amp, but I don't want to spend a fortune here.


Edited by DocPMD - 8/26/12 at 6:02pm
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@DocPMD

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I went to my local HiFi store today and auditioned the HD800's and all I could say is wow.  [..] But one thing kept going through my mind - where is the bass? I kept switching back and forth between a pair of HD650's and the HD800's and the difference was striking

 

The bass amount of hd800 is smaller than for hd650 , get over it.

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I'm guessing that they would sound OK connected to the stereo system, but I know that connecting to the iPhone will be a problem.  I don't want to spend a fortune here, but I do enjoy my bedtime listening.  What would you recommend to augment my iPhone for that scenario? 

 

 Unless you absolutely love the hd800 sound signature, I think your money would be better spend with a 300$ headphone with that kind of set up.

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Or am I just wasting my time with the HD800's because without the "proper" setup I'll always be dissatisfied with the bass?

That's not the problem, I've noticed when I tested the hd800 on an mp3 player. The sound was less clean (clean sound is one main reason to get the hd800), and the soundstage was less realistic (wouldn't say smaller, but less convincing).

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