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post #1 of 44
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just wondering, about this. i have done many detailed instant a-b comparisons, and the v3m simply destroy the hd650 making them sound thin and weedy, and i'm not just talking physical air moving impact. they virtually match my dt880 80 ohm phones in depth retreval, making me believe the 880 are a far truer phone.

i honestly think many head-fi listeners are accustomed to a thin weedy sound that has nothing to do with the real deal of live music.

my v3m are driven by a 40w el34 valve amp.

any comments?
post #2 of 44
First time I have ever heard the 650s called thin? I like the bass out of speakers more than headphones too. But (unless something is wrong with your 650s)your speakers are not capable of going as low as the senns. Although how low they can go may sound better and have more punch to you.
post #3 of 44
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it may be true that (extremely rearely..i haven't experienced this) the v3m cannot go quite as low as the senn - but this is either so rare in real musical terms, or when they both go very low the v3m is so superior that is is just a nonsense. i have checked this with my lowest hz recordings, and the v3m easily reign supreme, registering the deepest signals that are barely, or not heard in the hd650.

the dt880 80 comes much closer to, and sometimes matches, the v3m in bass performance. i don't think the v3m are considered bass monsters, and are driven by only 40w valves! sometimes i think headfi gets off track from reality big time, especially in the bass dept!
post #4 of 44
Last time i heard something similar about HD 650 but in comparison to "subwoofer car system".
Something to think about.
post #5 of 44
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Originally Posted by QQQ View Post
Last time i heard something similar about HD 650 but in comparison to "subwoofer car system".
Something to think about.
I could see the bass being compared more to this than to being called thin. it can be boomy it alot of systems.
post #6 of 44
My Hi-Fi destroys my headphone setup.
post #7 of 44
Unless your room is perfect, there are all kinds of anomalies going on in there, especially with low frequencies. Room interactions can boost some frequencies and cut others, making the bass seem stronger than it really is.

I'm currently running Vandersteen 2ce's powered by a Belles 350A Reference (known for it's bass control) and a Vandersteen 2wq sub, the source signal is run thru digital room correction before going to the pre. While this set-up certainly has "oomph" that you can feel, I think my HD-650's portray low frequencies more realistically.

That's just my opinion.
post #8 of 44
Ive never heard of a dt880 80
post #9 of 44
No headphones can match the tactility of bass from speakers.
In all other respects, I prefer the sound of headphones to speakers. Bass is tighter, cleaner, and not subject to room acoustics. There is far more detail, and although the soundstage is smaller, this is compensated by much more precise imaging.
These days, I listen exclusively to headphones when I am alone, and only use speakers when I am sharing music with friends.
post #10 of 44
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
Ive never heard of a dt880 80
sorry - i meant my dt770 80 ohm.

yep, room acoustics play a big part for speakers. but the hd650 have become an irritating product for me due to their thin weak bass. the 600 is even worse, of course. an amped dt770 80 ohm blows them away, and comes really quite close to the standmount speakers.

and the ribbon tweeters driven by valves easily match these headphones in the top end dept, but with far more air and sparkle.

Just the realities of headfi i guess, which is why many of us have both set ups.
post #11 of 44
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Originally Posted by Exit Pupil View Post
sorry - i meant my dt770 80 ohm.

yep, room acoustics play a big part for speakers. but the hd650 have become an irritating product for me due to their thin weak bass. the 600 is even worse, of course. an amped dt770 80 ohm blows them away, and comes really quite close to the standmount speakers.

and the ribbon tweeters driven by valves easily match these headphones in the top end dept, but with far more air and sparkle.

Just the realities of headfi i guess, which is why many of us have both set ups.
Looks like you are a basshead, or atleast want bass very pronounced and visceral. The dt770 is definitely one of the basshead favorites, but usually bassheads like the hd650 too it is thick and the bass is pretty pronounced so if it's not enough you can scratch most headphones off your list. Stick to speakers and a sub then, unless maybe ps-1 or denon d7000 (only heard the latter and it has amazing bass, pretty powerful though it is controlled)
post #12 of 44
The HD650 are a very high imp. phone; could it be your amp is not up to the task of driving them?
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post #14 of 44
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Looks like you are a basshead, or atleast want bass very pronounced and visceral. The dt770 is definitely one of the basshead favorites, but usually bassheads like the hd650 too it is thick and the bass is pretty pronounced so if it's not enough you can scratch most headphones off your list. Stick to speakers and a sub then, unless maybe ps-1 or denon d7000 (only heard the latter and it has amazing bass, pretty powerful though it is controlled)


i can hardly call myself a basshead if i'm listening through my two way 6.5inch bass driver 'stand mount' speakers in a largish room with NO subwoofer....all driven by 30kgs and 40watts of smoooooth EL34 tubes!

my x-can v3 drives the headphones very well...the 770s responding far more dramatically to the amps grip. they are not easy to drive.

it has been fascinating, and one of the easiest a-b comparisons, and you dont need golden ears to hear whats going on.

i just think that some headfiers have gone off on a distorted tangent of what they perceive as realistic or quality bass.
post #15 of 44
well there aren't many headphones on this board that have more bass than the dt770, especially in terms of impact. Basically what you have told us is one bassy phone the hd650 doesn't have enough bass, and another really really bassy phone has enough or a lot more and you like it. Are there any non bassy phones with bass you like better? Of course even the best can't match the impact and realism of speakers, even modest ones though it seems like you are selling headphones short. In order to get the clarity, detail, imaging, etc. of a lot of common headphones like grados, sennheisers, akgs, etc. you normally have to spend many times more, you are comparing based on headphone weaknesses.
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