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post #1 of 22
5/18/09 at 3:23am
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Tonight I was in a very uncomfortable situation with a guy by my car at Walmart. He asked me for money, which is very common for the place I'm staying atm, but he seemed like he would be confrontational if it came to it. I gave him a couple of bucks so he would go away. I need something to protect myself if these situations come to another level, and although I'm very much an unconfrontational guy, I've decided I need something to protect myself. Another person was attacked when she denied a guy money at her car (this happens at Walmart among many other places in this town if you're wondering), and she was stabbed several times (she survived somehow). I know most of these guys are "down and out" and don't mean any harm to me, but I need something to carry. A concealed and carry permit takes about a year to get, so I'm looking for a decent knife to carry with me. Keep in mind that this is something I never want to have to use, but something for safety. I searched the net for a good knife, but I'm inundated with "crazy sites" that seem to encourage violent behavior. I simply want the best folding knife I can buy for the money. Thanks.
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5/18/09 at 3:50am
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I kind of know how you feel. Back in first semester (so a few months ago), I was walking downtown at night to mull something over. I didn't know a festival had just wrapped up, so I was walking against the flow of occasional packs of people. One kind of chubby guy stopped in mid-pass on my right side and asked me if I had any money. My immediate first thought was that if I gave him the money, he could grab my hand, pull me in, and then I'm screwed. It also was suspicious that he asked me on one of the dark patches on the sidewalk.

I don't know how or why I thought of that possible scenario, but I just shook my head and said that I'm broke. He looked at me funny before merging back with his group. Maybe he was drunk, I don't know, but I'm glad that it didn't turn out to be anything else. Dunno if I was carrying my knives or Surefire E2D Defender flashlight then.
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post #3 of 22
5/18/09 at 4:46am
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I kind of know how you feel. Back in first semester (so a few months ago), I was walking downtown at night to mull something over. I didn't know a festival had just wrapped up, so I was walking against the flow of occasional packs of people. One kind of chubby guy stopped in mid-pass on my right side and asked me if I had any money. My immediate first thought was that if I gave him the money, he could grab my hand, pull me in, and then I'm screwed. It also was suspicious that he asked me on one of the dark patches on the sidewalk.

I don't know how or why I thought of that possible scenario, but I just shook my head and said that I'm broke. He looked at me funny before merging back with his group. Maybe he was drunk, I don't know, but I'm glad that it didn't turn out to be anything else. Dunno if I was carrying my knives or Surefire E2D Defender flashlight then.
Thanks for the reply and link. I've been stabbed before, and it was on my way back to my friend's house. I was carrying groceries at the time, and a couple of girls asked me for a cig. The 2 guys she was with followed up with the same request ( I was coming back to my friend's after a night at the bar ) , and I oblidged. They continued talking and one of them informed me that "if I would like to talk to her I needed to cough up $125. I asked the guy who said that, "if he thought he owned the girl" (who seemed to be interested, suprise suprise), and he started a fight. I'm in good shape, and bigger than both of these **********, so I thought I was ok. The next thing I knew one of them slips behind me and I'm fighting one from the front and one from the back. The first thing I noticed was a "cramp" in my back left side, but I continued to fight both of them. The next thing I knew I was seeing in black-and-white, and both of the guys took off. I picked both of them out of a pic line-up when I was in the hospital, and apperently the cops already had them anyway. One of them was from the Childrens' Home, and the other one was just an ********* from a well-off family. I know where both of them live now, but I don't really believe in vengance. The guy who stabbed me served served over 2 years, and hasn't been able to stay out of prison since, due to probation violations. The other $****** who ratted him out has served nothing. Even though he wasn't the one who did it, I can't believe he got off with nothing. The funny coincidance is that his grandmother knows my grandmother, and she called and apologized on behalf of her family. She's a really nice lady and I feel bad for her having to apologize for her failure of a grandson. Neither of those ******* cared if I lived or died ( I still remember both of them laughing, and one of them saying "he's bleeding all over the place, look at him!) and they both ran away in the end, when I wouldn't back off (I didn't realize I was stabbed until they ran away). The funniest part of the whole thing was what I heard afterward from friends who knew these two wastes. They said that Chris ( the one who ratted out his friend who stabbed me ) said I was a psycho, and I wouldn't stop coming after them so they had to stab me. I never started a fight, but I'm proud that I was standing after those two wastes of life ran away. Anyway, I would like to have better protection next time.

Keep in mind I had a chest tube with a hemothorax (partially collapsed lung and blood in my chest cavity), and the stab wound was within 1/4" (4 1/2" deep" ) of my pulmonary artery. I was very close to death, and neither of these kids cared (both of them were laughing as they ran away, and joking about how I "didn't even know that I was dying"). One of them got off with NO TIME WHATSOEVER. A kid with 1 lb of pot gets 1-4 years. Use your brain.
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post #4 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:13am
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post #5 of 22
5/18/09 at 10:21am
cant you carry pepper spray?
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post #6 of 22
5/18/09 at 12:37pm
I carry a Fallkniven and a Mcusta. Both are very well made and I've been happy with them. The one I'd really like to get is one of Chris Reeve's Sebenza folders - especially the left handed version. I like the titanium case and they get rave reviews everywhere. It's just that they aren't cheap and I've been in savings mode lately. Except for the HF-2. But you have to compromise somewhere.

Also, you should look into getting a gun. You might not be able to get a CC permit right away, but you will be able to legally have it in your home and you will be able to secure it in your car. It's impossible to get a CC permit in California, but I'll sometimes take a secured gun in the trunk. Might not be immediately accessible, but I'd rather it be there than not.
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post #7 of 22
5/18/09 at 2:16pm
I always carry a knife on me, however not for self-defense. They are just a very handy tool to have. That said I would probably not consider a knife a very good self-defense weapon without extensive training. Simple fact is one very few people would be scared by a knife, and a knife is not very effective self-defense weapon without proper training and decent physical shape of the person using it. A gun would be a better choice:
1. Higher fear factor
2. Still requires training, however is less dependent on the physical statue of the user to be effective.

Pepper spray would be a better choice than a knife.

Also check your state laws some require the same permits as gun to carry a knife concealed.

Also many states do allow OPEN carry without a permit, VA being one of them. Such a great state!
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post #8 of 22
5/18/09 at 2:58pm
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Simple fact is one very few people would be scared by a knife, and a knife is not very effective self-defense weapon without proper trainingand decent physical shape of the person using it.
Still requires training


X2.
Don’t start carrying a knife without taking some classes first.
Or you will just end up being stabbed with your own knife.

I started caring a knife every day after I was mugged 18 years ago.
I immediately took martial arts classes involving close quarter combat and blade training (Iaido and Kali-Escrima-Arnis-Silat).

Also, if you are going to carry a knife, know your local laws.
If you are ever going to need to use your knife for self defense, remember that there will be legal consequences (even if you are fully justified!). If you are the type of person that gets into fights easily, carrying a knife might not be the best choice.

There are plenty of good videos out there to get you started.

I recommend:

Datu Kelly S. Worden

PRACTICAL KNIFE FIGHTING FOR PERSONAL PROTECTION
Volume 1: Vital Concepts and Techniques
Volume 2: Advanced Concepts and Techniques

Also check out James A. Keating.

Catalog2
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post #9 of 22
5/18/09 at 3:11pm
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A concealed and carry permit takes about a year to get...
Where are you now, and do you have a NM drivers license?
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post #10 of 22
5/18/09 at 4:52pm
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Where are you now, and do you have a NM drivers license?
I'm only in NM for another 4 months at the most before I head back to NY (hopefully), and I have a NY drivers license. Since I travel for work it would be difficult to legally carry a gun.
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post #11 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:32pm
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I'm only in NM for another 4 months at the most before I head back to NY (hopefully), and I have a NY drivers license. Since I travel for work it would be difficult to legally carry a gun.
You may want to look into getting a Flordia or Utah non-resident CCW . These states have reciprocity with many others.

Here's the reciprocity list for Florida:
Concealed Carry Reciprocity - Division of Licensing, DOACS
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post #12 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:37pm
Stabby-Fi?
Not a good idea to carry a knife. If you get searched you're screwed. And if you pull a knife on a mugger you'd better be prepared to use it and able to defend yourself. He'll probably punch you in your nose and stab you with your own knife, then taking your wallet. Instead of just taking your wallet.
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post #13 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:42pm
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Stabby-Fi?
Not a good idea to carry a knife. If you get searched you're screwed.
Where are you screwed? You've made a study of each states' laws regarding carrying a knife?
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post #14 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:44pm
A right to bear arms doesn't mean that person should...the op should do self defense training and will be far more useful than a untrained person who thinks by carrying a knife he's safer..
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post #15 of 22
5/18/09 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by iriverdude View Post
A right to bear arms doesn't mean that person should...the op should do self defense training and will be far more useful than a untrained person who thinks by carrying a knife he's safer..
So you didn't know what you were talking about when you said he'd be screwed if caught with a knife?
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