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post #16 of 325
7/19/09 at 10:29am
Okay, we compared our DT880CBs with a manufactur DT770'600 yesterday.

Very different creatures. While all performed well with bass heavy electronica, house etc., the DT770 had quite some issues when stringed instruments or voices were to be displayed. Our modded 880s are much better allrounders and more natural due to their better mids presentation.

I also wouldn't say that the 600 ohm DT770 handles or sounds noticeably different to a "normal" 250 ohm DT770 thus.
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post #17 of 325
7/19/09 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by nickchen View Post
the DT770 had quite some issues when stringed instruments or voices were to be displayed. Our modded 880s are much better allrounders and more natural due to their better mids presentation.
Hmm, interesting. What are the issues you had with the DT770/600 with strings and voices?

I'm still waiting for mine, and if I don't like them, I'll return them.
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post #18 of 325
7/19/09 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by nickchen View Post
The DT770/880/990 drivers themselfes don't differ, but I think that it's their backwards dampening material and the housing that provide different sound signatures.
Are you sure the 600ohm versions arbn't different drivers than the 250 ohm ones (pretty sure they are different)?

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Originally Posted by nickchen
I must say the the DT880cb is a real awesome headphone. What I like most about it that some of my major Beyer dislikes (mediocre bass, cold mids, sharp highs) get cured, but without entering into the undesired DT770 or Ultrasone territory. NoXter's desciption of a Sennbeyer nails it perfectly down. I personally preferred it to NoXter's new HD650, the Senn is a bit boring in comparison.

It also sounded a lot like my beloved DT271, but with much more authority and musicality. I'm pretty sure I'll convert my DT880'2003 in such a creature as soon as I'm fluid again. I'll need 2005 housings for that, so it's not that simple and cheap for me.
Funny enough, I found the '03 DT880's had the bolded statement and this was cured by the 600ohm Beyers.
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post #19 of 325
7/19/09 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Tiemen
What are the issues you had with the DT770/600 with strings and voices?
Sounded thin and artificial, propably due to the "bathtub" frequency curve. Same problem as the DT770'250 and most Ultrasones. But I wouldn't say the newer DT770s are bad. They always sounded great with "fat" stuff, they are genre specialists IMO.
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi
Are you sure the 600ohm versions arbn't different drivers than the 250 ohm ones
Of course the 600 ohm systems are different from the 250 and 32 ohm systems. However, Beyer was obviously successful making them sound quite alike. I am of team grounded though, I don't care much for minor improvements such as 5% altered highs or those infamous "night & day" differences between amp A and amp B.
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I found the '03 DT880's had the bolded statement and this was cured by the 600ohm Beyers
Possible. I never had the opportunity to try the 880'600.
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post #20 of 325
7/19/09 at 2:35pm
insane! but whatever gets you going....

Nickchen: "Sounded thin and artificial, propably due to the "bathtub" frequency curve. Same problem as the DT770'250 and most Ultrasones. But I wouldn't say the newer DT770s are bad. They always sounded great with "fat" stuff, they are genre specialists IMO."

Its good that you put IMO, because I completely disagree with this statement, were you using them directly from an ipod? Properly amped, the dt770 600ohm are IMO the best closed back allarounders in the price range, they are not thin at all, less artificial....
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post #21 of 325
7/19/09 at 2:55pm
Nicken, what earpads do your manufactur DT770/600 have?
Leather or velour?
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post #22 of 325
7/19/09 at 4:25pm
Gray velours pads.

@GuyDebord: Please don't become annoyed, it's just a destitute opinion of some dirty old man Ah yes, sources, we had Opera, Mini³, LM4562 Cmoy, several big balls DACs...ummh...2 ambitious DIY amps of unknown specifications...
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post #23 of 325
7/19/09 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by nickchen View Post

Of course the 600 ohm systems are different from the 250 and 32 ohm systems. However, Beyer was obviously successful making them sound quite alike. I am of team grounded though, I don't care much for minor improvements such as 5% altered highs or those infamous "night & day" differences between amp A and amp B.
The difference between the DT880/600 and the '03 DT880 and '05 DT880 = more than 5% tbh.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/bey...thread-429371/

Also, the DT880/600 is only $320 @ Moon Audio, only $20 more than the regualr '05 DT880 = ha, a ~7% increase. Downright silly at this price.
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post #24 of 325
7/20/09 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post
The difference between the DT880/600 and the '03 DT880 and '05 DT880 = more than 5% tbh.
That seems to be the general consensus here. Good, because the stock 250 ohm DT880 have some drawbacks (slow bass, cold mids, exagerrated highs) that I personally regard as almost annoying meanwhile.

I'm still a Beyer man though, I principally like the Beyer sound...
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post #25 of 325
7/20/09 at 9:39am
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That seems to be the general consensus here. Good, because the stock 250 ohm DT880 have some drawbacks (slow bass, cold mids, exagerrated highs) that I personally regard as almost annoying meanwhile.
As I said, all cured with the 600 ohm DT880, except the slow bass. The bass quantity is significantly more in the 600 ohm DT880 while keeping the deep and tight bass the DT880 sound signature is known for. Highs are much less harsh in the 600ohm DT880 and sound more natural.

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I'm still a Beyer man though, I principally like the Beyer sound...
Then you'll love the DT880/600
The best DT880 of them all tbh.
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post #26 of 325
7/20/09 at 10:03am
good info. Thank you.
I will try.
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post #27 of 325
7/20/09 at 10:24am
Thread Starter 
I forgot to mention:

- You can regulate the quantity of treble by using different felt and different amounts of felt over the driver-unit.
- The felt swallows clangor, so you'll need to push your potentiometer more the right
- when you close the housing completely you earn a bass light version. When you open the housing a bit more than shown in the picture you earn some kind of subwoofer.
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post #28 of 325
9/29/09 at 9:51am
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Actually I use black DT770 pads. I made the hole, which is left in the housing, smaller ( just stitch a hole with a ball-pen ) and now these pads work with that mod. Don't know why...
The bass is now lowered and the overall sound more coherent. The 770 pads are more comfortable than these 660er and provide better isolation.
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post #29 of 325
9/30/09 at 5:06pm
Interesting mod. Considering the consensus on driver similarities, how do you think a set of 880 drivers placed in dt770 cups would sound? Should be the same as this mod, no?
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post #30 of 325
9/30/09 at 5:16pm
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I have no idea what damping material in a dt770 housing is used, but principally it should be the same result. Although I think, the bass-reflex hole from dt770 is *stock* too big.
I also have never tested this mod with silver DT770 pads. They sound slightly different to the black ones.
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