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That post is everything I've wanted to say without actually having said it...The headphones sound great and I thank Todd very much for getting them in my hands so fast. He seems to be the only one, besides the general membership, that this whole fiasco has had any negative effect on, as it has definitely given him a nice headache I'd assume and more work than should be necessary due to cancellations and confirmations, etc.

Jude of course signed off on the extra $10 as a proper remedy, I'm sure that wasn't thought up out of nowhere without consulting him first. As I have stated elsewhere I'm sure this site makes money hand over fist with all the sponsors and such, so people thinking that the 40-50 dollar donation to head-fi goes towards anything other than Jude's personal bank account need to think again, a free pair of headphones and a quick 25K is all he seems to care about...

Todd sorry for all this being put in your forum as you have been a class act throughout the whole thing and I truly believe you are the only innocent party of the three, or closest to innocent as possible, hehe...

Anyways, enough ranting, I guess I should get back to listening...I'm just glad to see more and more people speaking out and even more glad to see some people canceled their order, if only I had such willpower

The above stuff should stay in the main forums, and not on Todd's sponsor forums...

I'm staying out of it - I don't feel that strongly about it to come up with conspiracy theories. Yikes!

You should be ashamed of yourself. To defame three people who constantly give their time and effort to this community for fouling up a product you had the choice to buy or not is disgraceful.

If you bought a pair, you already gave your endorsement. Personally, I hope you cancelled your order.

You make this sound like it's some great plus, like Grado's going to sell a million HF-2s and needs to license the Head-Fi name by paying $50 a can. They're a special-edition, thank-you gesture...the $50 should be something we're all happy about, since it's going towards the community we all love.

We all benefit from Head-Fi getting something out of this...we get the community that we share, the web servers we're undoubtedly running up a huge bill on, the site management that's undoubtedly a huge pain in the rear. And, of course, we're getting an awesome, special-edition Grado headphone. And you want Jude to pay everyone $50? Seriously, you should be happy for the $25,000 donated to Head-Fi, instead of making crazy conspiracy theories about special-edition phones. That's an insult to everyone here, not just Jude.

Whoa!

No conspiracies. No direct depots. No immoral behavior here.

Just a mistake that was made by an outside company (engraver) that I feel should have made amends.
If there is something sticking out of a headphone, then an employee who is putting in the box, needs to flag it. Nothing was done on purpose here.
This site is very costly to run, and Jude spends countless personal hours making sure it stays up and current (including weekends and wee a.m. hours). Todd is one of the best vendors that anyone could ask for, and besides putting some food on the table, he runs his business with a passion and love for music and the equipment it takes to hear it.
Companies like Sony, who makes everything proprietary so you can't "fart" without buying only their accessories (memory sticks, DRM mp3 store, etc.), are levels below Grado Labs, who make a quality product for a fair market price. There is no comparison.

Nobody knows what it would take, or how much it would cost to correct the mistake, I just felt it should have been corrected.
I still stand behind the purpose of the sale of these headphones, which is to support Head-Fi and make sure that TTVJ continues to provide great products to us into the next millennium!

Long live Head-Fi, our enjoyment of it, and the relationship that it's vendors have with it.

You seem to both be very comfortable with Todd (as well you should be, as he is one of the most honorable people I've met in this community), so why don't you ask him if I signed off on the cups, or if there was even anything at all I could have done to fix those cups.

Ask Todd if the HF1 or the HF2--and the way the deals were structured with Head-Fi--was my idea. Neither was. Both times I was surprised (and, yes, excited). Now tell me you would have said no, had you been in my shoes, to either the HF1 or HF2. Yes, I'm thrilled and honored that John wanted to affiliate Grado Labs with Head-Fi so intimately with what are now two models of Grado headphones that were essentially Head-Fi commemorative headphones (and entirely unique)--and I'm not apologizing for that one single bit. Ask Todd if I was more excited about the money coming to Head-Fi, or the fact that John Grado--the head of a company whose products I admired and sold before they even made headphones many years ago--felt admiration enough for a community and website I happen to be affiliated with to name a uniquely designed Grado headphone (and then another) after it. You trust Todd, so ask him.

The F1 misprint was not within my power to fix. Do you think I could have demanded that Grado or TTVJ re-do all the cups? It wasn't an option--and it certainly wasn't my option--and why it wasn't an option, or possible/practical to re-do them all, has been explained by Todd.

Aimless1, you're talking about consideration not received? Nobody forced this down your throat. krmathis stated clearly he wouldn't order it after the error, as he knew it would bother him (and I'm sure others felt the same)--that choice was also available to you. You did not have to buy the HF2. Todd, once he found out about what happened, notified everyone (myself included) in as up-front a manner as he could, and even sought to confirm all pending orders were still wanted before any more shipped.

So, Aimless1 and Toad, please return your HF2's to Todd, so that I can buy one or both of them--I want another HF2 anyway, and then you can take comfort in the fact that none of your money will come anywhere near me, and I can take comfort in the knowledge that you guys don't own them. (I'll pay for your return shipping, should you choose to.)

You owning 2 or more would be unfair for other members, as the rule was only 1 HP per member.

Had to be picky about it

Lately I seem adept at causing an uproar without trying. Not my intention. Looked at the information at my disposal and saw a possible outcome that had not been previously discussed. Unfortunately my caustic, cynical and sarcastic streak seems to be working overtime lately.

Let me be clear. I ordered and I am looking forward to receiving and hearing the HF-2. Since the final decisions was made to keep the F1 I can and will live with that. To me there is no more point discussing the F1 error.

However, as a businessman who has had to pay for his own mistakes, I do think a thread discussing other ways to handle the F1 error are in order. The decision was one of several outcomes. Was it the best decision? Maybe, maybe not. Whether this should be discussed further or not, the discussion should clearly move elsewhere if it is to be had at all.

Conspiracy theory? I freely admitted I do not know the dynamics of the relationship between the three players involved. It was nice to see Jude come out and finally say something considering the F1. In this case silence was not golden. Thank you!

I brought an item to the table to discuss. To those I've offended, I offer my sincere apology.

i understand the business aspect of the decision and was disappointed with the decision as well. but i don't think this needs to be discussed any further. people have the right to voice their opinion as i have, but there really is no point of this ongoing discussion about the error since it won't change anything.

honestly, after receiving my pair. the F1 error rarely occurs to me. i thought it would bother me much more at first, being sort of a perfectionist, but it doesn't. yes it would've been much better if it was proper, but it's something i can live with. when i do take the HF2's off my head when i'm not listening to them and give them a good look at the labeling, i chuckle. having them still makes me feel like i was a part of something special.

I think one of the biggest ideas behind this is where the 1 will be in three years time.

Will it be remembered as the Head-F1 headphone? Sure, but it is a comical reference to what shall be a greatly respected and loved rare headphone in the community. It may have a lasting reputation from this goof, but in the greater scale of the community, and in time, this headphone will be worth more than a conversation over an additional $5000 to head-fi. In three years, the money will be in the past, and its in the past now. Why do we keep bringing this up? What's done is done, take the headphones and enjoy them, or continue (There's not other word for it) b****ing over an error that won't ever get resolved.

Just my two cents.

Can't wait till I receieve my pair. I'm thinking it's around #495 ish.

Same tough takes some weeks before i have mine since my phones are in between 490-500 too. Since when i sent email at Todd he said just around 10 phones left and said takes 7-8 weeks till to shipping.

Yeah same. Which order was yours? I got #6131.

Mine is #6124 so it could be between 480-490 too