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post #571 of 704
7/15/09 at 5:12pm
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Headphoneaddict,

I said 2 weeks notice not 2 MONTHS. I made sure you got your HF-2 - you took my pair at CanJam. So why the uproar???

Anyway, the HF2 F1 error changed a lot of things. For one there was not a limit to the number of them that was going to be made. It was more a feel of demand. But with approximately 500 pairs of cup made with the error and the uproar from some here at Head-Fi (or is it Head-F1), it was decided to limit production for the time being.

You can still place an order to get on a waiting list in case someone cancels. As of right now everyone who has ordered will get an HF-2. Here after it is on a waiting list.

Todd
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post #572 of 704
7/15/09 at 5:40pm
Haha, I couldn't honestly care less what the cup says as long as they sound good and looks OK from 20 ft. away.

The faster for me, the better.

Seriously, I can't read the text while I am listening to them now can I?

Guys, these are headphones. It isn't like you are dealing in mint condition vintage comics or toys where what it looks like and how good the finish is determines the price.

Who knows, I may have my priorities out of order.
post #573 of 704
7/15/09 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by That dude View Post
First Grado, first bitter taste of disappointing build quality.
It very likely is a blob of excess hot glue. Based on the Grados that I've owned and taken apart, they use a ring of clear hot glue around the inside of the cups to secure the metal grill to the cup as well as hold the two halves of the cups together. I'm guessing the assembler probably accidentally dripped glue there during assembly. It should not be too difficult to remove(apply heat to melt glue and pick away). However, I agree it is quite disappointing (but not surprising, IME).
post #574 of 704
7/15/09 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post
Headphoneaddict,

I said 2 weeks notice not 2 MONTHS. I made sure you got your HF-2 - you took my pair at CanJam. So why the uproar???

Anyway, the HF2 F1 error changed a lot of things. For one there was not a limit to the number of them that was going to be made. It was more a feel of demand. But with approximately 500 pairs of cup made with the error and the uproar from some here at Head-Fi (or is it Head-F1), it was decided to limit production for the time being.

You can still place an order to get on a waiting list in case someone cancels. As of right now everyone who has ordered will get an HF-2. Here after it is on a waiting list.

Todd
Thanks for the correction Todd. Two months did seem kinda steep.
post #575 of 704
7/15/09 at 6:11pm
Date Ordered: Sun, May 17, 2009 at 02:27:36 PM

Date Shipped: Today (Wed., 7/17/2009) !!!!!!!!!!!!
UPS 3-Day Select
so, it ought to be delivered on Monday.

Thank you, Todd!!!!!!!!!!

It feels good to have passed the point where I'm waiting for the order to be shipped and to be waiting for the shipped order to arrive.

The pictures of the HF-2 look so pretty. I'm really looking forward to seeing my Head-F1 HF-2 (and hearing it) when it arrives.

I've got my amps lined up that I'm eager to hear paired with this specially-built headphone from Grado Labs.
post #576 of 704
7/15/09 at 6:42pm
Sold Out!!! Wow, great news for Head-Fi!
post #577 of 704
7/15/09 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Haha, I couldn't honestly care less what the cup says as long as they sound good and looks OK from 20 ft. away.
This is what is acceptable for a person that you are dating, not one who your are going to marry.

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Originally Posted by -=Germania=-
Seriously, I can't read the text while I am listening to them now can I?
Not the point at all. If this was the case, the same could be said for a car, or the inside build quality of an audio component that you will never open up.

Quality is quality. Someone put these in a box, with a blatant imperfection on them. This should not be minimized.

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Originally Posted by -=Germania=-
Guys, these are headphones. It isn't like you are dealing in mint condition vintage comics or toys where what it looks like and how good the finish is determines the price.
These are a new purchase of a specialty product made for a specific market demographic. They should be pretty damn close to perfect.

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Originally Posted by -=Germania=-
Who knows, I may have my priorities out of order.
Not usually Stacy, but in this case, I'm afraid so.

If this was a purchase from Sony or Sennheiser, I'm pretty sure most of us would ask for an exchange.
I don't blame John or Todd (I love both of them dearly), but I do blame the person who packaged these, and they need to be consulted.

I am not at all happy with the F1 mistake and feel that the error should have been remedied, regardless of what the cost is, but I made a commitment to Todd and am sticking with the purchase.
I am a Moderator on this forum, and a person that cares deeply about the financial success of Todd and John's businesses. But I really feel that this mistake is not "OK", and should have been corrected.

There, I said it.
post #578 of 704
7/15/09 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Guys, these are headphones. It isn't like you are dealing in mint condition vintage comics or toys where what it looks like and how good the finish is determines the price.

Who knows, I may have my priorities out of order.
It really depends on how anal you are about these things From a utilitarian standpoint, it doesn't matter at all, but I can understand the people who are looking at the HF-2 as more of a collectors piece in Headfi history may be slightly bothered by it. I admit that it's not entirely logical to get hung up over something so trivial, but it did affect my decision process to some degree.
post #579 of 704
7/15/09 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Haha, I couldn't honestly care less what the cup says as long as they sound good and looks OK from 20 ft. away.

The faster for me, the better.

Seriously, I can't read the text while I am listening to them now can I?

Guys, these are headphones. It isn't like you are dealing in mint condition vintage comics or toys where what it looks like and how good the finish is determines the price.

Who knows, I may have my priorities out of order.
I feel exactly the same way. That might be because of the whole college-student thing, though...I'm used to scratch-and-dent, B-stock, and used electronics. Minor imperfections seem the rule, rather than the exception.
post #580 of 704
7/15/09 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by -=Germania=- View Post
Seriously, I can't read the text while I am listening to them now can I?
Yes, if you are looking in the mirror at yourself listening, and you have a second mirror to "undo" the first mirror image.
post #581 of 704
7/15/09 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by Todd View Post
Headphoneaddict,

I said 2 weeks notice not 2 MONTHS. I made sure you got your HF-2 - you took my pair at CanJam. So why the uproar???

Anyway, the HF2 F1 error changed a lot of things. For one there was not a limit to the number of them that was going to be made. It was more a feel of demand. But with approximately 500 pairs of cup made with the error and the uproar from some here at Head-Fi (or is it Head-F1), it was decided to limit production for the time being.

You can still place an order to get on a waiting list in case someone cancels. As of right now everyone who has ordered will get an HF-2. Here after it is on a waiting list.

Todd
I just feel bad because I have them and others won't. I really like them and wish Grado had one like this on their regular product line - like an SR-425i, or RS-3, or something somehow. I also posted on head-fi how great you were to pass on your #24 to me because I was at CanJam and bringing my HD800 home too.

I understand how the error changed things a bit, which is sad. I'll learn to deal with my guilt, but I cannot give up the HF-2 that's for sure. Anyway, I acknowledged yesterday that I could see why you guys had to cap the sales, so in a way I was retracting my - why cut off sales so early post:

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I know, but I thought the original plan before the "typo" was to give people 1-2 months notice before sales stopped, and the quantity built was not to be capped at a certain number. The typo messed that up and caused the sale to end sooner than expected, and I just feel bad for those that missed out.

I guess in the end it makes more sense than making more HF-2 without the typo and p***ing off the early adopters.
post #582 of 704
7/15/09 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
This is what is acceptable for a person that you are dating, not one who your are going to marry.



Not the point at all. If this was the case, the same could be said for a car, or the inside build quality of an audio component that you will never open up.

Quality is quality. Someone put these in a box, with a blatant imperfection on them. This should not be minimized.



These are a new purchase of a specialty product made for a specific market demographic. They should be pretty damn close to perfect.



Not usually Stacy, but in this case, I'm afraid so.

If this was a purchase from Sony or Sennheiser, I'm pretty sure most of us would ask for an exchange.
I don't blame John or Todd (I love both of them dearly), but I do blame the person who packaged these, and they need to be consulted.

I am not at all happy with the F1 mistake and feel that the error should have been remedied, regardless of what the cost is, but I made a commitment to Todd and am sticking with the purchase.
I am a Moderator on this forum, and a person that cares deeply about the financial success of Todd and John's businesses. But I really feel that this mistake is not "OK", and should have been corrected.

There, I said it.
I know I am one of the few who believes like you Aaron. I have not posted much but I did cancel my HF2 order on the basis that to me the "error" was important enough not to get them.

On the other hand Todd is a heck of a nice guy who has gone out of his way to make my purchases as well as that of others a pleasurable experience. I too hope the best success to both John and Todd but IMO the "error" should have been handled differently. I will now go to the corner for 15 minutes as self inflicted punishment.
post #583 of 704
7/15/09 at 9:43pm
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Yes, if you are looking in the mirror at yourself listening, and you have a second mirror to "undo" the first mirror image.
But that would just be vain.

Personally, I treat my stuff pretty well for the most part. Even then it is impossible to keep something mint if you use it.

It may be weird, but part of me LIKES the F1 thing. It's a quirk that show this isn't just some standardized product, adds character I guess. Look at the highly desired double print Grados.

The people who buy it to use it won't likely find it a big point of contention (can't forget Grado comfort here!) Collectors certainly. If that discourages people who would put them in a closet to sell in 9 months versus allowing those who would use them to have the opprotunity...There are worse things I guess.

Granted, I know that the frequent posters here are not in that group and
simply want the best. It isn't like they are giving them away either. I could get
two TOTL headphones or a full stax setup for the price of these.

I guess people have different priorities. If it isn't obvious, I prefer buying used. It is a lot harder to get bum second hand equipment and it's the same condition you would make it in a month anyway. Near mint.
post #584 of 704
7/15/09 at 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by mrarroyo View Post
I know I am one of the few who believes like you Aaron. I have not posted much but I did cancel my HF2 order on the basis that to me the "error" was important enough not to get them.

On the other hand Todd is a heck of a nice guy who has gone out of his way to make my purchases as well as that of others a pleasurable experience. I too hope the best success to both John and Todd but IMO the "error" should have been handled differently. I will now go to the corner for 15 minutes as self inflicted punishment.

I have always had respect for those who stand up for what they believe in. Kudos to you! I agree up to the point where the decision was made and we have the F1 issue to accept or not. These are not production cans that can be exchanged. I do not think Jude, Todd and John made the right decision. But it was made and now it's time to move on.


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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
This is what is acceptable for a person that you are dating, not one who your are going to marry.


I love my wife dearly, and even as perfect as she is, there are still flaws.


Not the point at all. If this was the case, the same could be said for a car, or the inside build quality of an audio component that you will never open up.

Quality is quality. Someone put these in a box, with a blatant imperfection on them. This should not be minimized.


Not quite the same thing. Current production items can be exchanged. Custom hand made orders for one of a kind items can be rejected (custom made to order shotguns come to mind). But once the decision was made the option to exchange was taken off the table.


These are a new purchase of a specialty product made for a specific market demographic. They should be pretty damn close to perfect.

Not usually Stacy, but in this case, I'm afraid so.

If this was a purchase from Sony or Sennheiser, I'm pretty sure most of us would ask for an exchange.
I don't blame John or Todd (I love both of them dearly), but I do blame the person who packaged these, and they need to be consulted.



We all don't agree with this sentiment. To me it is simply wrong to blame a production worker for the error. That would be John Grado's job. To hold John, Todd and Jude accountable is acceptable. Since an exchange is not possible with this item then options are to accept it as is or reject it out of principal like Mr Arroyo



I am not at all happy with the F1 mistake and feel that the error should have been remedied, regardless of what the cost is, but I made a commitment to Todd and am sticking with the purchase.
I am a Moderator on this forum, and a person that cares deeply about the financial success of Todd and John's businesses. But I really feel that this mistake is not "OK", and should have been corrected.

There, I said it.
This post is likely to be deleted. Probably not by Todd, but most likely by a mod or Jude. This has not been discussed, but Jude has every appearance of signing off and being literally paid off for the error. I haven't seen a single post from Jude commenting on the F1 error. I do see that he/head-fi get an additional $10 per can, $5000 total for allowing the mistake to exist. I don't for one minute believe that John or Todd made this decision on their own. Jude was certainly part of it and bears as much or more responsibility for the existance of the F1. I note that not a single member received consideration for the trio delivering an item that was clearly not as advertised.

I'm not familiar with the group dynamics, but John and Todd could not offer the HF-2 without Jude signing off. Hence the $40/can donation. They could never have made the decision to release the F1 without Jude's tacit agreement. Wouldn't it be awonderful gesture for Jude to step forward and pay everyone who has the F1 $50 for good will?

Jude is rolling in the dough so to speak. John and Todd get their cut. We get the F1. Isn't capitalism great?
post #585 of 704
7/15/09 at 10:15pm
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