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post #3316 of 3749
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
Anyone want to loan me an X for a bit? I've lost my partner who had one... I just want to compare it back to back with my A845. Coming from the A828, Fuze and iPod touch 2G, there is definite recession going on in treble and bass which annoys me and I don't remember if it was exactly the same in the X.

All I know is that the midrange jumps out more at the expense of clarity of the entire spectrum. Smooth is one thing, but compressed dynamics is another and this player certainly has compressed dynamics.
hmmm is this a new A845 Shigzeo? I am not normally an advocate of "burn in" or whatever its called but I did recall out of the box that the X sounded a bit too polite. Not sure if this is something inherent in the S-amp but over time the dynamics and impact in the music all became more noticeable to me. I think I was using MJ's Dirty Diana to test the few intermittent climaxes in that song.

P.S Am I the only one suffering from hindsight audio delusion syndrome = burn in.

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post #3317 of 3749
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
Anyone want to loan me an X for a bit? I've lost my partner who had one... I just want to compare it back to back with my A845. Coming from the A828, Fuze and iPod touch 2G, there is definite recession going on in treble and bass which annoys me and I don't remember if it was exactly the same in the X.

All I know is that the midrange jumps out more at the expense of clarity of the entire spectrum. Smooth is one thing, but compressed dynamics is another and this player certainly has compressed dynamics.
First of all, excuse me asking but you sure have DSEE, Clear Stereo and Dynamic Normalizer off in the music settings? I reckon you do, but just wanna make sure...

Presuming the answer is yes, it really makes me wonder whether the European (or German) version of the A845 might have different firmware and sound signature from yours. There is some evidence for that, because my perception of sound signature doesn't normally differ so widely from your's.

- I clearly notice the hiss you've been complaining about, but I cannot detect clicking on mine, even with my most sensitive IEMs. Switching from play to pause, there's one audible click after half a second, obviously because the internal amp switches to standby. Other than that, nothing.

- You posted in the FAD-thread that the A845 has decent EQ. My A845 degrades treble quality noticably when I try to EQ it up 1 or 2 notches for the FADs. I'm pretty sure you would have noticed if your Sony did the same.

- And now your report about recessed treble and bass and lack of clarity. Between my Cowon i9, Sansa Fuze and A845 the Sony sounds clearest with very crisp treble. Bass quantity is about the same as the Fuze and more than the i9. It certainly doesn't sound compressed to my ears.

Overall really, really strange, comparing your impressions to what I hear from my A845.
post #3318 of 3749
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^^ Hey soozieq, nice tutorial.

I have a very serious question
, though: Since when is Pink Floyd regarded as Concept?
That is a deadly serious question and I shall respond with an equally deadly serious answer

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I always thought it was either Rock, Psychedelic Rock or Prog(ressive) Rock.
A concept album, yes, but concept as a genre? :-)
Well, technically speaking, I suppose they should come under Prog Rock, although I've frequently seen them listed under Psychedelic Rock as well as just plain Rock. But since I have most of their concept albums on my X - "The Wall", "Animals", "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here" etc - it just made sense for me to use 'Concept' as a genre, because I know them best for their concept albums. Plus, I don't have to think of trawling through Progressive/Psychedelic/Hard/Soft/Classic rock etc to find them
post #3319 of 3749
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Originally Posted by HONEYBOY View Post
Hi TCD1975, I sure would like to hear your follow up impressions of both the A728 and the X over time. When I first received the X a few things were quite more noticeable to me in comparison to my S738. It was (1) smoother ( The music was projected more effortlessly), (2) more natural/organic ( less bright and digital than the S738. Though quite subtle I could hear more details than the S738, this wasn't unnaturally forced details that relied on a boosted treble presentation, this was more natural), (3) Improved "transient speed" (This became more evident over time and I noticed the X to be less congested during busy passages and as a result of these cleaner transients had better resolution of space between instruments), (4) A slightly more distinct tonality to instruments and vocals, albeit a warmer tonality. Some of these differences were subtle at first but overtime I began to appreciate and relish these qualities. Audio appreciation and discernment is quite similar to the study of philosophy haha. Once you have learned or heard something, you cannot unlearn or ""unhear"" it!
Well it's not taken long. Another couple of hours with the X1060 and it's leap-frogged my A729.

My only worry with the X1060 was that I was hearing quite a lot of crackling distortion in the lower end of some of my MP3s and I wasn't sure if this was a problem with the X1060 or just crap audio files. I went back to my A729 to double check the MP3 files and realised that the distortion had always been there but I just hadn't picked up on it before. In other words the only reason it had jumped out at me when I listened to the X1060 was because it is far more detailed. Suddenly my A729 has gone from sounding great to sounding a little veiled.

I'm sure my thoughts on the X1060 will continue to develop but one thing I think I've picked up on is a wider soundstage and greater sense of placement and separation. It could just be my imagination though. At the moment I'm finding myself listening to the X1060 with an analytical ear rather than just relaxing and enjoying the music. Things seem to stand out at me but it could just be bacuse I'm concentrating and looking for them.

When I returned to my A729 I had a bit of trouble navigating from the start menu as the icons didn't seem to respond. It took me a couple of seconds to realise that they're not going to respond as it's not a touch screen player. Just a couple of days with the X1060 and I've forgottrn how to use the A729 and now I expect everything to be touch screen ... doh!!!
post #3320 of 3749
Put a 64kbps mp3 in the x1061...
sounds like crack right?

Turn DSEE on... and you will be amazed.
post #3321 of 3749
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post

The difference with ripping directly to WAV (as opposed to converting from FLAC) was that the artist name didn't transfer to the X. It displayed as 'unknown'. It had all the other information, album title, year, genre, album art etc - but no artist





So I have no idea why the artist name transfers if the files are converted from FLAC to WAV, but not if the CD is ripped directly to WAV. And now I have a headache
No problem, it's simple and doesn't count if tracks are ripped directly in wav or not, just fill the artist column for each track (enable it if not in the details view). Gives you "unknown" because you filled only the album artist tag. Then, for a more fine work, delete also the track number from the title and fill the track number column. All works perfectly!
post #3322 of 3749
Hello James - perplexing it is!

All SFX are off when I play and I haven't really used the treble EQ as it loses dynamics when I do. The EQ is decent because it is softly distortive rather than sizzly which is fun!

My observations do match impressions of the X, in some ways and that is why I want to compare the two.

Since your impressions and mine are often quite similar, I wonder too, though I will have to come out and say it: I am extremely extremely critical with DAP's; earphones are one thing since none are neutral (they cannot be and shouldnt' be otherwise no one would buy buy one), but DAP's should be as nuetral as they can be and THEN add FX they want. The Sony rolls off slightly in the treble and bass which is a step back from my trusty (and dropped many times A828).

It could be that the firmwares are different and the clicking in mines is gone in yours. But the roll off are features of the output circuitry themselves, not the firmware.

With these flaws listed, I'd take the Sony hands-down over the iPod touch with the FAD, but I think that is the main reason I bought it; my A828 is Japanese so I have to use Windows and SonicStage. I just wanted drag and drop. Unfortunately, I think SQ also suffered along the way.

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First of all, excuse me asking but you sure have DSEE, Clear Stereo and Dynamic Normalizer off in the music settings? I reckon you do, but just wanna make sure...

Presuming the answer is yes, it really makes me wonder whether the European (or German) version of the A845 might have different firmware and sound signature from yours. There is some evidence for that, because my perception of sound signature doesn't normally differ so widely from your's.

- I clearly notice the hiss you've been complaining about, but I cannot detect clicking on mine, even with my most sensitive IEMs. Switching from play to pause, there's one audible click after half a second, obviously because the internal amp switches to standby. Other than that, nothing.

- You posted in the FAD-thread that the A845 has decent EQ. My A845 degrades treble quality noticably when I try to EQ it up 1 or 2 notches for the FADs. I'm pretty sure you would have noticed if your Sony did the same.

- And now your report about recessed treble and bass and lack of clarity. Between my Cowon i9, Sansa Fuze and A845 the Sony sounds clearest with very crisp treble. Bass quantity is about the same as the Fuze and more than the i9. It certainly doesn't sound compressed to my ears.

Overall really, really strange, comparing your impressions to what I hear from my A845.
post #3323 of 3749
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Originally Posted by Elandal View Post
No problem, it's simple and doesn't count if tracks are ripped directly in wav or not, just fill the artist column for each track (enable it if not in the details view). Gives you "unknown" because you filled only the album artist tag. Then, for a more fine work, delete also the track number from the title and fill the track number column. All works perfectly!
Hey, thanks for that. I just realised it's 'contributing artist' that needs to be filled in. There is no 'artist' field which is kind of silly, since the artist is the artist and not the contributing artist

But I just checked that album and 'contributing artist' wasn't filled in so I'll do it again and then see if it appears, which it should now. Thanks for the reminder. And I do take out the track number from the track title before it's transferred to the Sony. Now the track number field, sometimes it shows as all 'O's so I have to number them or they transfer alphabetically instead of by track order. But other times there are no numbers at all, like with the Division Bell.

Anyway, you've been really helpful. Thank you
post #3324 of 3749
^^ how sweet. HF helping HF enjoy the music! naaaaise!
post #3325 of 3749
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
^^ how sweet. HF helping HF enjoy the music! naaaaise!


I know. What a great first post that was, because the 'unknown artist' thing was really bugging me. I'd totally forgotten about the 'contributing artist' field. Still don't understand how WAV files can be tagged if they can't be tagged! On my Samsung everything in FLAC and WAV was unknown except for the tracks. And I used the same method. Just bewildering!

Thanks again Elandal. Oh, welcome to Head-Fi and sorry about your tagging, I mean sorry about your wallet
post #3326 of 3749
Tagging wave files also works under Media Go and copy just fine to the Sony X
post #3327 of 3749
Oh, many thanks for the welcome and hi to all!
Sorry for not specyfing "contributing" for artist but it was a fast post in late hour, anyway i'm glad to have helped a bit.
Talking of that then, it's always the same story where any developer want to create it's own naming scheme, like Apple where album artist is "band" tag.
Anyway, considering that we know that WAV files can't be tagged, sure i don't ask anything since works and i'm happy.
Since you named Samsung, well, i hate them! Ok joke, but really, i'm starting to hate hardware manufacturers which claim to support a format where at the end is always an half support. I have the R1, and with FLAC, if i can pass that album art maybe not supported, i really find stupid that track numbers are not recognized, come on, i think it's a base thing. I don't know which model you have but has i know FLAC tag recognization is always related using the device in MTP mode, so must be used in MSC (UMS).

Well, talking of my wallet in the next days maybe will be empty because i'm thinking to buy some new device...

@Squirsier
Aaargh, i just unistalled that bloatware (like WMP ) but maybe i will make a try, thanks...
post #3328 of 3749
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Originally Posted by Elandal View Post
Oh, many thanks for the welcome and hi to all!
Sorry for not specyfing "contributing" for artist but it was a fast post in late hour, anyway i'm glad to have helped a bit.
No need to say sorry - I remembered there was no field for 'artist' - just 'album artist' and 'contributing artist'. It's confusing because who would think 'contributing artist' needs to be filled in if 'album artist' has already been entered? I also had to enter the track number in the 'details view' before the artist showed up on the X.


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Since you named Samsung, well, i hate them! Ok joke, but really, i'm starting to hate hardware manufacturers which claim to support a format where
at the end is always an half support.
Ohhhhhhhh, Samsung!

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I have the R1, and with FLAC, if i can pass that album art maybe not supported, i really find stupid that track numbers are not recognized, come on, i think it's a base thing. I don't know which model you have but has i know FLAC tag recognization is always related using the device in MTP mode, so must be used in MSC (UMS).
I had the same model as yours, the YP-R1!!! I got it just to use with FLAC and WAV, but ended up returning it because of the half-hearted support. No tags showed up, track order was out of order (with FLAC) and to add insult to injury, I couldn't even access the lossless files from the music folder, I had to access them from the 'file browser' where every single album and artist was 'unknown'.

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Well, talking of my wallet in the next days maybe will be empty because i'm thinking to buy some new device...
That's the spirit
post #3329 of 3749
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Originally Posted by soozieq View Post
It's confusing because who would think 'contributing artist' needs to be filled in if 'album artist' has already been entered?
The thing that can confuse here is the word "contributing" used that sure can have sense on a compilation album point of view but not for a single artist album, otherwise is not so wrong. Even if are different developers teams i can't anyway understand because M$ adopted that naming scheme where even on the Zune software there are simple artist and album artist, if not only for "old" WMP users.

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I also had to enter the track number in the 'details view' before the artist showed up on the X.
That strange, i don't really need to fill the track number to see artist showed (using WMP12).
post #3330 of 3749
Thought i would just try using the Sony content transfer program (the one that sits on your desktop screen) for the first time since the update they done for it to see if it improved and i now get the progress bar with how many tracks are transferring which i did not before.

But i noticed when I transferred some tunes over using the content transfer program using WMA VBR files and noticed using content transfer knocks the kbps down around 20kbps for some unknown reason to me, but does not happen when just draging and dropping in windows.

Does any one know why?

Why is nothing simple with Sony
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