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post #106 of 3759
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
Why even put Wifi/browser into the machine if it's gonna suck?
Who knows? But I don't think many people thought the browser was going to come close to Safari anyway. I know I didn't. Sony have been pushing the audio qualities of the X1000 and staying very quiet about the WiFi part of it, so that was ominous to begin with. And now I know why, because it's less than useless. But it's possible that a future firmware upgrade or maybe just a little miracle will make it more user friendly in the future.


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Also, based on these early reports (granted, they are limited in terms of numbers), there are some very practical features missing from previous Sony DAP iterations (I have the A818 as well).
Just 3 features taken away from the 818, the 'Now Playing', 'Go To Artist' and alphabet search is gone, but it's not a big deal, not to me. It's more that I'm used to certain features on Sony daps so I automatically go to use them, and now they're not there. But it won't take long to get used to that.

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To me, the Touch 2G SQ is excellent, as I don't get that brittle sound Soozieq mentions, especially when I move to the LOD/amp setup. I would hate to give that up, and I would have to do that to finance the X1000.
The Touch SQ is great, but it's sized like a brick compared with the X1000.

My opinion is that if someone wanted to buy the X1000 just for the SQ, and use it just as a music player, then they wouldn't be disappointed (especially if they already like the traditional Sony sound). And as far as price is concerned, well, I bought my A829 for £220 from Amazon UK almost on the day it was released a year ago, and there was no discount. So that was £220 for 16GB. Now one year later, I can get double the capacity for just £29 more and get a bigger and more beautiful screen at the same time.

I think if there was a version available without the laughable browser, and it was priced at around £220 - it would be an amazing deal for what is essentially, a very nice little player. Even at £249 it's good value.

But no one should buy it in the hope that it will replace the Touch for browsing. It won't, it doesn't, it's rubbish! Buy it as a 32GB mp3 player for £249, pretend it doesn't have WiFi and then the deal's not so bad
post #107 of 3759
Very sound advice, pardon the pun. I think you should have advised Sony on this one, because there are going to be people buying it for the wifi, who had held off buying a Touch. I guess if they never used Touch/Safari, they won't know the difference.

Also, there is a new Touch around the corner as well, so it will be interesting to see how it compares to the Sony players. I see the size difference, but I use the Touch mainly sitting around, not on the move (use Clip or A818 for that), so for me, I can deal with the brick aspect.
post #108 of 3759
Shirley the browser is good enough to check movie times, weather, and email

all that this boy would use it for, got a nice browser on the mobile and 2 small macbooks.
post #109 of 3759
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Shirley the browser is good enough to check movie times, weather, and email
Who's Shirley? Have you been watching 'Airplane' again??

Anyway, I almost dropped my yummy Solero Berry Berry ice cream laughing when I read your post. I can't access anything at all, apart from the youtube link and Yahoo search. If you have to manually type in an url everytime you want to access a website, well, that's just crazy.
post #110 of 3759
LOL@Shirley

Btw, not even have bookmarks function? That's awful...
post #111 of 3759
I think there is a bookmark function. Well I am certain there is at least a history. The keypad isn't the best touchscreen keypad and the lack of feedback (vibrate) makes matter worse. Nokia's T9 keypad on the 5800 is much better.
post #112 of 3759
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I think there is a bookmark function. Well I am certain there is at least a history. The keypad isn't the best touchscreen keypad and the lack of feedback (vibrate) makes matter worse. Nokia's T9 keypad on the 5800 is much better.
I downloaded the user guide so I could read up on everything, and there's nothing about bookmarks or history or anything. There's virtually nothing about the browser at all. If you find out how to bookmark something, please tell me, and if you find out to access a website in the first place, please tell me that too!
post #113 of 3759
Sound like both of you regret buying the x1000. Do either of you have a mz rh1 minidisc player. I'd really like to know how the two devices compare with respect to SQ
post #114 of 3759
I managed to access a couple of sites. The program won't allow me to access if I didn't type http:// but there is a shortcut for that on the keypad (for web related key entries, labelled 'URL'). I managed to somehow stumble into the history and all the previous websites I visited were there.

Like all other Netfront browsers there is an option to allow for 'smart fit' rendering. It works very badly (left side screen shot) compared to their fantastic WinMob version (right screen shot). The processor in the X-series just can't handle rendering modern websites. They should have just bundled Opera Mini. Nevermind that, I wasn't planning on using the browser anyway as I always have my E51 with me.

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post #115 of 3759
walkingman-
So is the synergy with the IE8's as much as it was hoped it would be?
post #116 of 3759
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Sound like both of you regret buying the x1000.
I don't regret buying it at all. It's a 32GB Sony, that's what I was after. Sure, I was hoping the browser might be able to do basic things, but I already knew it wouldn't matter if it didn't. I wanted it as a music player more than anything else, so no disappointment there, just a bit of confusion, since the browser seems to be almost primitive.

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I managed to access a couple of sites. The program won't allow me to access if I didn't type http:// but there is a shortcut for that on the keypad (for web related key entries, labelled 'URL').
I managed to somehow stumble into the history and all the previous websites I visited were there.
I'm going to see if I can stumble into anything too. Oh, I was almost able to sign into my Yahoo account (via the Yahoo search link) but this symbol _ was missing, so I couldn't. I couldn't find it
post #117 of 3759
Hi all
Firstly -thanks to all contributors for initial impressions. ( and thanks for the PM Soozieq!! When I saw you being called Shirley I just had to jump in!! I'm slightly ashamed to admit I'd forgotten about this forum - I mostly visit phones & amps sections!! )
More importantly - initial thoughts re X1000?? I'm a big Sony fan (808,829,639 to name a few) BUT I'm starting to doubt whether to get the X1000 ( and - without trying to sound big-headed or anything - if I dont get one then that's a huge surprise!! ) I wanted the X1000 for music, some vids but also browser -going some way to matching the itouch. My son has the iphone, daughter the itouch. I'm impressed with the safari browser - the auto rotate, zoom in/out etc. If the Sony is as bad as initial impressions suggest then that's quite a big negative for me. I'm still not 100% clear what the deal is with video - is it that 320x240 is max even though display size is bigger? Then there's that A to Z search niggle (thanks soozieq )- lack of on the go playlists ( ok - since 800 series we lost those - but it's all "straws and camels' backs" I guess) And then the SQ comments seem to suggest that the improvement over earlier series isnt huge??

Ok - let's balance up a little. It's incredibly small,cute,well built etc. OLED is stunning. AND...............perhaps the other inescapable point .................it's 32gb!!! Ho hum!! What a dilemma ??? I almost went over to John Lewis on Oxford St yesterday to pick one up. But now I'm holding back.

Apologies for these (personal) ramblings...........I really really appreciate all the postings and look forward to further pros and cons coming through. Maybe I will get one in a few weeks time - use it as a damn good music player with32gb capacity and excellent build and battery life. Trouble is - I was expecting an "ipod killer" like all the publicity in the press has been saying in the last few days. Joe Public is surely going to be annoyed to buy this as an "itouch" - but (as you say Soozieq ) a browser without bookmarks/history and/or typing in urls ever time is just laughable!!??

Regards to all.
post #118 of 3759
Doubt Sony had in mind primarily selling this to people who have other mobile means (Touch, smart phones, etc,) to access the Web. Could be, but seems dubious.

If they were gonna make the Web experience so poor, I guess I am with Soozieq and wonder why they just didn't build on their excellent recent history and just release another awesome DAP, and forget the other stuff. Almost seems like a "me too" move relative to the Touch, but without an honest effort. Will firmware make it better? Who knows? But I have had my A818 for a couple of years, and still on firmware 1.0. If anyone knows that there has been an update, let me know. I can never find one.

Sony could have priced it lower than the comparable Touch, and had a major winner. To me, the YouTube and Slacker apps are not of much value.

Oh well, guess I'll be sticking with the Touch and A818. And I am a major Sony fan (Have PS3, DVD players, etc.), in fact an owner of the original Walkman back in the dark ages of portable audio.

Oh, and as far as capacity goes, the Zune80, which will play WMA lossless, offers great capacity and SQ, at least to my ears. 32GB isn't all that great any more, in fact. Now, if Sony had come out with a 120GB DAP, left in the older features, and left the browser out of it (unless it had one that worked), now that would be worth selling off some gear to buy.
post #119 of 3759
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Hi all
Firstly -thanks to all contributors for initial impressions. ( and thanks for the PM Soozieq!! When I saw you being called Shirley I just had to jump in!!
Ha ha, that was silly billy Ihatepopupads who decided to name the browser 'Shirley'... as in, Shirley the browser

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Trouble is - I was expecting an "ipod killer" like all the publicity in the press has been saying in the last few days. Joe Public is surely going to be annoyed to buy this as an "itouch" - but (as you say Soozieq ) a browser without bookmarks/history and/or typing in urls ever time is just laughable!!??
It can't compete the with Touch WiFi, it just can't. It's almost an embarrassment that it was ever touted as a Touch killer with regards to the browsing facility. Apple must be laughing their fruity heads off.

tstarn06 - I didn't know you'd even thought about getting the X1000. I thought you were happy enough with the Touch?
post #120 of 3759
cn11, it pairs excellently with the IE 8. There is a very small hint of hiss, but nothing bothersome and no where near as much as the A818. The bass is tight and powerful. Very airy soundstage, but I am thinking it has more to do with the IE 8 than the X1060. Very similar sound to the S739, but more powerful and clearer. Hiss isn't apparent during playback, but I don't have many tracks with silent passages...

Personally I have no regrets and couldn't be happier with the purchase. Some functions were sadly not implemented well, but I can live with it.

Anyway, I took some pictures of the X1060 just now. I am sure toughnut and anybody with a S630/S730 will be interested to know that the X1060 is just slighty thicker than the aforementioned models.

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