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post #106 of 165
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Originally Posted by kostalex View Post
They are right at the turning-point, being just slightly better than G2A with the same source. So the answer depends on how much $100 worth for you. And I have to clarify that I tried them with 3G, not 3GS. I do beleive they are the same though.
Ah okay thanks. Good to know.
post #107 of 165
It took a while but I have finally picked up a pair of G1As. They are brand new and not broken in yet, but I am already impressed. When driven by a good enough amp I feel they are not overpriced at all. The sound is fantastically balanced, almost perfectly inline with my preferences. There is just a bit of bite at the top end that smacks of a lack of refinement, but the G2A had this problem big time when new and it was very noticeably reduced with break in so I'm expecting the same of the G1A. They seem to have good synergy with my VHP2 and are nicely forgiving of bad recordings while still doing justice to good ones.

The hot sounding upper mids of the G2A are not present at all here, which in turn allows the details in the next couple of octaves below to shine through more clearly. All in all until I pick up a Beyer T1 later this year I see myself using these a lot even though they are "just" clip-on headphones.

I'll add more impressions once they have a few more hours on them, but I don't really intend to artificially break them in. I only do this to make a headphone which has a bad habit listenable, such as the K701 whose treble made me cringe when new. These will break in with actual head time so it'll be slow and steady going.
post #108 of 165
Have a few more hours on them now. The top end is already smoothing out a bit, I have no worries here. I can't remember the last time I was this impressed with something. These truly don't sound like clip on headphones driven by my VHP2/VDA2 combo. The sound is big and dynamic. The G1A does not suffer at ALL the compressed dynamics I complained about in the G2A. In fact the dynamics are so good I find myself unusually aware of the changes while listening.

They've gone from being a nearly perfect match for my tonal preferences to basically be a completely perfect match. Weight and decay are pretty much perfect to my ears too. Now if I could only find a full size headphone that sounds like this but "up another notch" I would not have to buy any more headphones. I'm hoping the Beyer T1 fits this bill someday. At any rate for the few people the G1A appeals to they are truly a treat if you throw a great amp at them. I'm deeply impressed and feel the money was well spent.
post #109 of 165
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Originally Posted by Xcalibur255 View Post
Have a few more hours on them now. The top end is already smoothing out a bit, I have no worries here. I can't remember the last time I was this impressed with something. These truly don't sound like clip on headphones driven by my VHP2/VDA2 combo. The sound is big and dynamic. The G1A does not suffer at ALL the compressed dynamics I complained about in the G2A. In fact the dynamics are so good I find myself unusually aware of the changes while listening.

They've gone from being a nearly perfect match for my tonal preferences to basically be a completely perfect match. Weight and decay are pretty much perfect to my ears too. Now if I could only find a full size headphone that sounds like this but "up another notch" I would not have to buy any more headphones. I'm hoping the Beyer T1 fits this bill someday. At any rate for the few people the G1A appeals to they are truly a treat if you throw a great amp at them. I'm deeply impressed and feel the money was well spent.
How is the fit? I know many people complain because the clip ons in general do not stay in place very well. They sway off the ear when you move. Does this happen with your G1?
post #110 of 165
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Originally Posted by nonsupremous View Post
How is the fit? I know many people complain because the clip ons in general do not stay in place very well. They sway off the ear when you move. Does this happen with your G1?
I've never had any trouble with the fit of clip-ons personally, but that is just me. I actually like the style where as most people hate it. My G1 seems to fit a tad bit more snugly than the G2, but that may be something as simple as manufacturing variance.

I do think that some of the peole who have an issue with fit don't really put enough effort into putting them on. What I do is put them on the ear as normal, then grab the bottom of my earlobe and pull it down as much as possible between the clip and pad. Then I put my finger at the top of the pad and push down gently against the top inner edge of my ear. Often I'll repeat this a couple of times, but this combined with making sure the clips are "pivoted" so that the arm of the clip is just touching the top of your earlobe can result in a very firm and snug fit. Having a firmer fit improves bass response too, though at the cost of making the soundstage a bit more intimate. I really think the G1A excels here btw. I'm surprised to read so many comments claiming the soundstage is only minimally improved over the G2A. This isn't my experience, it is noticeably wider and significantly deeper with some front to back presence. The G2A soundstage has no front to back depth at all and seems two dimensional.

I think the problem is that people don't take them seriously enough. Driven by a portable amp like the Fiio the comparisons I've read make sense. The G1A is only marginally better, but the G1A seems to really love power and the VHP2 just brings them to life. They are dark and lush, with an organic sound but do not sound veiled or sacrifice detail or texture. Very reminiscent of the HD650 honestly. I have a great time listening to them and just can't believe what they achieve given their style and the shallow depth of the enclosure the drivers are in.
post #111 of 165
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Well said, both on fit and SQ. I also feel G1A is reminiscent to HD650.
post #112 of 165
Fang made the G1A/G2A to sound like Senn. HD580.
At a meet before the lower model came out, i heard them and he had an HD580 there, and they sounded amazingly like them at meet conditions.

So, how do they sound compared to PX100/ Igrado?
Has anyone spend some time and compared with these two?
post #113 of 165
IQ looks bad. Use something better to resize them.
post #114 of 165
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Originally Posted by Drag0n View Post
Fang made the G1A/G2A to sound like Senn. HD580.
This can't be true for both of them, because the G1A and G2A sound very different from each other IMO. The difference in upper mid/lower treble energy is fairly dramatic and completely changes the character of the sound. Upper frequencies are dominant on the G2A, and lower frequencies on the G1A. That it gives up this treble "sparkle" and still offers vastly superior detail retrieval tells me the G1A had a lot of effort put into its driver design. It can't just be a 150ohm version of the same design, there are too many differences in presentation, and enclosure design or positioning on the ear obviously can't be causing those differences.
post #115 of 165
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Originally Posted by Xcalibur255 View Post
This can't be true for both of them, because the G1A and G2A sound very different from each other IMO. The difference in upper mid/lower treble energy is fairly dramatic and completely changes the character of the sound. Upper frequencies are dominant on the G2A, and lower frequencies on the G1A. That it gives up this treble "sparkle" and still offers vastly superior detail retrieval tells me the G1A had a lot of effort put into its driver design. It can't just be a 150ohm version of the same design, there are too many differences in presentation, and enclosure design or positioning on the ear obviously can't be causing those differences.
I didnt mean Fang made them both to sound like the 580.
I meant he made one of them to sound like the 580.
When i first heard them, they werent yet on the market and the clips were flimbsy and the things were falling off my head, and i had no idea he was making two models, and i wasnt sure which of the two i heard.....but it sounded just like the pair of 580s he wanted me to compare it with.
post #116 of 165
Ah. Sorry for misreading.
post #117 of 165
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Originally Posted by Drag0n View Post
So, how do they sound compared to PX100/ Igrado?
I prefer G2A to iGrado. I did not compared to PX100 directly, but I remember that I rated iGrado > PX100, so I am pretty sure G2A beats PX100 too.
post #118 of 165
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IQ looks bad. Use something better to resize them.
What is IQ? Sorry, I can not understand what are you talking about.
post #119 of 165
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Originally Posted by kostalex View Post
I prefer G2A to iGrado. I did not compared to PX100 directly, but I remember that I rated iGrado > PX100, so I am pretty sure G2A beats PX100 too.
Yeah, i put the PX100 and Igrado on the same level of quality, but i prefer the Igrado slightly because its more open and better highs.
System matching helps alot though, and with the right amp /source the PX100 does open up.
With the right amp, the little KSC75 is even amazing.
I have a reciever here that makes the KSC75 sound amazing, and makes me wonder why i paid for the SR80, but its only that good on that one amp.
On other amps the SR80 is clearly better.
Id love to just extract the headphone amp from that reciever and make it in a small box. I think people would love it.
post #120 of 165
Thread Starter 
I meant unamped use with iPod 5.5 gen.
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