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post #46 of 53
5/29/09 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by voon View Post
Out of curiosity: Do online shops offer lossless (flac) on the net?
Some do, but none of the mainstream shops do. The selection isn't the greatest.
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post #47 of 53
5/30/09 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by milkweg View Post
He said headphone rig and not stereo. M headphone rig is worth about $1200.00. My stereo is worth about $4,000.00. Speakers alone are $3,000.00.
And that doesn't even include the 2 amps, DAC, and Paradigm speakers in my bedroom. That is another $2,000.00 worth of gear.
I'll be there tomorrow, have a room ready for me


Seriously though (not directed at milkweg, whom I agree with on this matter), to those who can hear all this stuff go prove yourself at HAF.
No one is particularly interested in a circle-jerk about how you can hear it without evidence.
I use lossless because I think it sounds better, i can convert freely without the need to re-rip and because I can remaster anything I want... but I have it on good authority that it probably doesn't sound any different at all.
My ears arent golden, and neither are yours probably..
Lossless is a great commodity to have, but if you're telling me that anything lower than lossless is not good you're kidding yourself.
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post #48 of 53
5/30/09 at 8:42am
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No one is particularly interested in a circle-jerk about how you can hear it without evidence.
One sounds bloaty and boomy. My own ears, and picking out Mp3 as the worst sounding in the lot, is the only evidence I need. Three other people picked out Mp3 as the worst as well.

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ILossless is a great commodity to have, but if you're telling me that anything lower than lossless is not good you're kidding yourself.
For home system using lossy is not worth it.
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post #49 of 53
5/30/09 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
This is true but I noticed that when it comes to extreme lows and highs, speakers are still better at detecting flaws. Heres what I mean... most recordings I can hear better detail using my headphones than speakers and can say which recording is better than another with the cans but when it comes to mp3 quality for example... it is a different story. I noticed that once you go a high enough bitrate on mp3s, the sonics are already spot on when comparing a vbr v0 or 320 mp3 to the original cd when using headphones but play that same mp3 on speakers and youll notice that the mp3 lacks the visceral impact that the original cd has. This visceral quality might need speakers so that you can feel the vibration on your skin. I'm not sure how it works but thats what all mp3s lose vs the original cd no matter what the bitrate IMO. Now I have to test my nero aac rips. I have a feeling they have the cds impact intact.
that's interesting, thanks for pointing that out, and i don't think you are crazy...in fact i do believe that lossless and lossy should sound different from a very high quality system.
sometimes the difference is not the "sound" itself...i mean, if you will concertrate on the notes only you will not be able to find the difference(that's why most people can't).
the difference could be in the deepness of the sound and soundstage and terms like that , although i do believe you when you said that the bass sounded bloated in mp3 files.

but again...one need a very high end system for that.

that's why i always stick to lossless.
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post #50 of 53
5/30/09 at 8:57am
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but again...one need a very high end system for that.
Not really. My systems aren't very high end, probably lower-high end, and I can tell.
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post #51 of 53
5/30/09 at 8:58am
a full range floorstander under 1000 dollars in value can probably show you the difference betweeen mp3 and lossless in terms of bass definition and impact. My diy speakers surely can. The funny thing is listening with my headphones which are more detailed than my speakers dont reveal this impact flaw as much. Its as if the developers were shaping the sound of mp3s using headphones not knowing that the data eliminated is clearly heard when played back on full range loudspeakers.
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post #52 of 53
5/30/09 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by donunus View Post
a full range floorstander under 1000 dollars in value can probably show you the difference betweeen mp3 and lossless in terms of bass definition and impact. My diy speakers surely can. The funny thing is listening with my headphones which are more detailed than my speakers dont reveal this impact flaw as much. Its as if the developers were shaping the sound of mp3s using headphones not knowing that the data eliminated is clearly heard when played back on full range loudspeakers.
My guess is that because with headphones the music/sound is more closer and you much more focused on the sound. with speakers, you hear it all much more wider and with much more space. and like i said before, i think that the main difference between high bitrate lossy and lossless is with the deepness and expensiveness of the sound rather than the tonal differences. with speakers you probably can get the whole picture more easely.
although..they are probably enough good can out there to do that image nicely i suppose.
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post #53 of 53
5/30/09 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by CDBacklash View Post
I'll be there tomorrow, have a room ready for me

I'm a very long way from Perth, Aus so don't think it would be worth the time or money for you.
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