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post #46 of 91
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Which ones have you tried? I hope you're not talking about their HTiB speakers. Those are ALWAYS terrible... doesn't matter which company.

Also, watch out on AV123 speakers. AV123 is going down within a year or so.
Yeah, I had the little xbox sats, they were better than pc speakers but still no mids. Maybe the OMD-5 sats are ok with that 5.5" driver.

Av123 might be going down, but they still make bad ass speakers. My 550MKIIs absolutely floor people by themselves. Add a sub and omg do they bring the atmosphere into the room. Ever had it rain inside your house? I have. That's why I feel strongly about the x-omni. Just not certain it will work for nearfield-ish.

Another great new speaker that many are unaware of is the HSU HB1 MK2. Suckers are as little as $330 shipped a pair and got serious attention at the Boston Audio Society. That is a picky bunch of folks.

http://stereomojo.com/HSU%20HB1%20Mk...akerReview.htm
post #47 of 91
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Originally Posted by Alai View Post
Which ones have you tried? I hope you're not talking about their HTiB speakers. Those are ALWAYS terrible... doesn't matter which company.

Also, watch out on AV123 speakers. AV123 is going down within a year or so.
I demoed these OS³-FS Floorstanding Speaker - Overview

Im excluding their nanosats and what not.
post #48 of 91
I agree. AV123 makes amazing products. Just saying, if the product breaks or is damaged somehow, don't expect there to be a go-to company to help in the somewhat near future.

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I demoed these OS³-FS Floorstanding Speaker - Overview

Im excluding their nanosats and what not.
Hm... Haven't tried those ones yet. Their more expensive floorstanders were pretty sweet, imo.
post #49 of 91
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I agree. AV123 makes amazing products. Just saying, if the product breaks or is damaged somehow, don't expect there to be a go-to company to help in the somewhat near future.



Hm... Haven't tried those ones yet. Their more expensive floorstanders were pretty sweet, imo.
Havent tried the higher models but everything Ive heard from Mirage just sounded bright to me.
post #50 of 91
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I tried out a few Genelec speakers a few weeks ago and can't say I enjoyed them. They sounded somewhat electronic and unnatural imo.
What was the source? Are you requesting a specific source that you know of when auditioning?

I'm not saying that would change your opinion, but I thought I'd mention it as it is an important factor when demoing any of these speakers. That said, sorry you didn't like them. That's exactly why demoing is a great idea. We all have different taste.
post #51 of 91
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Ok, I went out looking for some good places to demo speakers. Out of all the possibilities, only Long & McQuade really worked out. I listened to a pair of Adam A7 head to head with Dynaudio MB5A. However the MB5A were burnt in and the Adams were not, so it wasn't totally fair. I liked the warmer and more laid back sound of the MB5A better than the sound signature of the A7, which sounded much colder and brighter to me. The guy at the store told me that the A7 tend to mellow out quite a bit after burn-in, but the question is how much. I don't think it would be enough to put them in the same place as the MB5A, but I may be wrong. To put it in another way, the Dynaudios sounded like listening speakers to me, while the A7s sounded like mixing speakers. I also have a feeling that the A7s would get very tiring after long periods of listening, which I do almost every day. One thing I did like more about the A7s, however, was the deeper and punchier bass - the extension was far better on the A7s. I will be getting a sub, however, so bass extension isn't a huge issue, although punchyness and definition is important. One other thing I liked about the A7 is the greater level of detail and refinement, which I felt was a tiny bit lacking in the Dynaudios.

I went to one other store that had, among other things, nearly a full range of paradigms. I listened to the mini monitors, although it wasn't really fair because they were not burnt in and were in a cabinet type thing which was seriously restricting the sound. So I can't really comment on these. The main ones I wanted to look at were the Studio 10s which they didn't have in stock, and the Studio 20s were not hooked up.

Although I didn't get as much as I hoped out of today's testing, I think I am now more able to tell what kind of sound I want. Ideally, I am looking for the smoothness and warmth of the MB5A, but with more bass punch and definition and more detail all around. I am fully aware that this most likely will not come true, but I would like to get as close as possible within my budget. Soundstage is also quite highly valued.

By the way, I found a pair of Quad 12Ls available used in the fs forums for $570 for the pair. This is looking quite tempting. What's the sound sig of the Quads - would it fit well with what I'm looking for?
post #52 of 91
The Quads are ok.

Go listen to Totem speakers. Trust me. They have some magic.
post #53 of 91
Based on your experience, I think you would like the Classic 3 then. They are pretty much in between the smooth non-fatiguing sound of the BM5A and the extreme quickness and detail of the A7. The Studio 10 is pretty good, but they do sound a bit cold IMO.

I had the C3 last year, and bought the Studio10 recently.



Personally, I still prefer the BM5A over both of them because of that smooth sound. What I like about the Dynaudio tweeter is that it's juuust right, very detailed but oh-so-smooth.
post #54 of 91
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Based on your experience, I think you would like the Classic 3 then. They are pretty much in between the smooth non-fatiguing sound of the BM5A and the extreme quickness and detail of the A7. The Studio 10 is pretty good, but they do sound a bit cold IMO.

I had the C3 last year, and bought the Studio10 recently.

Personally, I still prefer the BM5A over both of them because of that smooth sound. What I like about the Dynaudio tweeter is that it's juuust right, very detailed but oh-so-smooth.
That is good to hear a comparison between the two. I also love the smoothness of the BM5A, but they just lack a little bit of detail. I also think the Classic 3s would be great for me. I think I'll audition the Totem Rainmakers tomorrow, which look quite interesting. Btw are they active or passive? If I don't like them I'll probably get the NHT's.

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What was the source? Are you requesting a specific source that you know of when auditioning?

I'm not saying that would change your opinion, but I thought I'd mention it as it is an important factor when demoing any of these speakers. That said, sorry you didn't like them. That's exactly why demoing is a great idea. We all have different taste.
I used whatever setup they had running. I always used the same CD mixed with FLACs and 320 MP3s.
post #55 of 91
haha i just realized that you're located in the same city as me

for your type of music, the dynaudio are better

quad is better for vocals but wont get you the hard hitting bass versus the dynaudio
post #56 of 91
I liked my NHT's but I had two issues with them:

One of my speakers was defective, and it took months to get a replacement. NHT's future is cloudy as well as they are undergoing restructuring. The other sonic issue is that sometimes the upper midrange sounded a bit metallic, which is often a problem with many metal dome tweeter based speakers. That's why I like the Esotec in the Dynaudio, they never sound metallicky. The Studio 10 also suffers from this, the upper treble can sound grainy. In the end, I found that both fatigued me over the long term. The Studio 10 is great for home theater and TV which is why you see it beside my LCD, but I don't really listen to music on it much.

I think you also have to differentiate between true detail and exaggerated detail. Some speakers sound more detailed because their tweeters have certain peaks that emphasize certain frequencies (sort of like how you can sharpen a photo in photoshop). You are not getting more detail, it just makes it more apparent

Totem makes a good product, but I'd argue the really good stuff doesn't appear until you get to their higher end models. I didn't like the Mite, and Rainmaker much myself, they are a bit too coloured for my taste, they didn't sound balanced. And some of them still use Dynaudio bass drivers or a knockoff (when Dynaudio stopped supplying certain drivers to keep it to themselves for their own speakers).

If you can ever find a dealer, try to hear Dynaudio's consumer offerings like their Excite, or Focus line. The tweeter in those speakers is a generation or two ahead of the studio monitors, they're more detailed as well. The pro monitors don't use the latest generation tweeters because they don't want to change the sound too readily (because the pro monitors are already well desired as they are with a reputation for the way they sound).
post #57 of 91
Totem is widely known to have colored sound even on their high-end. Some people like it, some people don't.
post #58 of 91
I really want to hear their speakers...especially their Wind speakers.
post #59 of 91
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I really want to hear their speakers...especially their Wind speakers.
I really want to hear their Storm subwoofer...
post #60 of 91
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I think you also have to differentiate between true detail and exaggerated detail. Some speakers sound more detailed because their tweeters have certain peaks that emphasize certain frequencies (sort of like how you can sharpen a photo in photoshop). You are not getting more detail, it just makes it more apparent
Which speakers from my lineup are you referring to when you talk about this?

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Totem makes a good product, but I'd argue the really good stuff doesn't appear until you get to their higher end models. I didn't like the Mite, and Rainmaker much myself, they are a bit too coloured for my taste, they didn't sound balanced. And some of them still use Dynaudio bass drivers or a knockoff (when Dynaudio stopped supplying certain drivers to keep it to themselves for their own speakers).
We'll have to see how they sound to me.

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If you can ever find a dealer, try to hear Dynaudio's consumer offerings like their Excite, or Focus line. The tweeter in those speakers is a generation or two ahead of the studio monitors, they're more detailed as well. The pro monitors don't use the latest generation tweeters because they don't want to change the sound too readily (because the pro monitors are already well desired as they are with a reputation for the way they sound).
Found a pair of X12 from the excite line on canuckaudiomart for $800. What can you tell me about these. As in, do you know how they compare to the BM5A? I have read a few reviews, but no comparisons. This is the only one from either of those two lines that fits my budget, unless I can find some kind of killer deal.
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