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post #121 of 903
When are these coming out?

By the way, Im still testing the 2 different usb converters to get a detailed breakdown of all I have tried. I am also installing Windows 7 tonight and will add that to issues and pro's.
post #122 of 903
Can anybody post pics of the internals of th 01 USD to try establish if I2S is interceptible?
post #123 of 903
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Originally Posted by jkeny View Post
Can anybody post pics of the internals of th 01 USD to try establish if I2S is interceptible?
It likely to be possible with "US" version of this converter (not "USD"), since it adds PCM1793 for analog outputs. This link which was posted above has more detailed pics of the "US" version:

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Originally Posted by DoYouRight View Post
When are these coming out?

By the way, Im still testing the 2 different usb converters to get a detailed breakdown of all I have tried. I am also installing Windows 7 tonight and will add that to issues and pro's.
Cool! If possible, can you try WASAPI exclusive in Windows7 and see how it works? Not sure what kind of media players you are using, but J.River (available as a trial) works great with WASAPI so far.
post #124 of 903
I will tomorrow. Also, when I asked when its coming out I meant the new models from that copied post.
post #125 of 903
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Do you know if Vista's WASAPI exclusive mode will work with this card? I believe WASAPI is Vista's native implementation of KS.
The answer (from Musiland) is Yes. I haven't personally confirmed it yet coz I don't have a PC running Windows Vista/7.
post #126 of 903
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The answer (from Musiland) is Yes. I haven't personally confirmed it yet coz I don't have a PC running Windows Vista/7.
Thanks! So it should be bitperfect at all supported sample rates like KS right? (not like ASIO)
post #127 of 903
I totally agree with linuxworks. I was waiting for a confirmation on whether or not linux was supported before going ahead and ordering.
post #128 of 903
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Originally Posted by gevorg View Post
It likely to be possible with "US" version of this converter (not "USD"), since it adds PCM1793 for analog outputs. This link which was posted above has more detailed pics of the "US" version:

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I know it's probably available with the "US" version - I'm the one who posted the link to the pics above (it's like Chinese whispers here) that's why I requested pics of the "USD" internals.

Although I can agree with Linuxworks, I see the companies IP concerns - this code has been achieved through the employment of some programmers, it's the companies IP. Try asking Gordon Rankin of Wavelength to release his asynch code (which he says took him 900 hours work?)
post #129 of 903
at least a start would be to release the binary blob that would get loaded at power-on boot time (I assume the code gets sucked in to the device from the pc host at every power-on).

even that would get the linux guys running with this.

you don't have to release source. but if you go the blob route, you then are 'in the loop' (aka, in the way!) of every kernel upgrade. that's something vendors hate and understandably so.

I prefer to avoid kernel locked versions of binary objects (blobs). I want to be able to upgrade my kernel and not be stuck with some older version because the blob is locked to it.

but at the very least, they should do something for linux.

I stopped using windows for media center things years ago. I wont' go back. and I won't re-buy equipment by buying a mac.
post #130 of 903

My first comparison... was very tired but said Id do it, will update and clean up.

Alright I have finally gotten this done for the time being.

Here is a review of comparing Transit, Bel Canto USBLink, and the Musiland 01USD for USB>Digital Input converter for my Buffalo32s D/AC. Which btw has phenomenal jitter correction from the Sabre chip and all around creates an amazing sound, so the below is all IMHO and YYMV.

Equipment Used:
DIY Buffalo32s Balanced DAC - XLR Balanced output into ->
DIY Beta22 Balanced Amplifier (6 Board to give SE active grounds)
Denon D7000 - SE/XLR via adapter
Grado HF2 - SE
Sennheiser HD650 - APS V3 XLR Recable
M-Audio Transit
Bel Canto USBLink 24/96
Musiland 01USD

Music: All FLAC/ALAC Accurate Rips cept Vinyl Ripped in 24/96 via Foobar2k WASAPI/ASIO enabled, no DSP or EQ.
Jack Johnson - Sleep Through the Static
Shpongle - Nothing Lasts
Muse - HAARP + 2 singles from Resistance
Pink Floyd - UmmaGumma - MFSL Vinyl Rip 24/96
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle - MFSL Vinyl Rip 24/96
1812 Overture - 24/192 HD
Bear McReary - BattleStar Galactica Season 4 Score

Alright let's get down to business. I have spent many MANY hundreds of hours stressing over this USB issue for DACs. I would have just dealt with it and gotten an AYRE which has asynchronous USB of 24/192 without drivers, however it only has USB I/Os which to me is a problem for versitility. Anyway, I searched every possible solution and to keep my Buffalo32 which is an amazing D/AC and the best sound I have ever heard, I still wanted a way to connect it to my laptop with all of my FLAC with easy no mess connections, if only 16/44.1 was around this would not be an issue, but alas we have vinyl rips and HD audio. I know replaced Vista x64 with Windows 7 x64 which is fairly faster, I also run Ubuntu 9.04 or Ubuntu Studio for it's built in JACK and ALSA tools and framework. This proved to be an issue since my creative expresscard notebook had no functioning drivers, and my laptops spdif out was converted to the HDMI out that I use for my LCD. So how do I get above 16/44.1 in the best quality now?

I find the shortcomings of USB 1.1 audio to be a huge PITA, and I am hoping the newly announced USB 2.0 audio rec's will release WAY easier ability to gain higher bitrate and rates without all of the hassle of programming from scratch. So I tried the following devices, to get USB > SPDIF since Ubuntu was a pain and I wanted to have quick connections wherever I go, Emu 0404 USB, M-Audio Transit, Bel Canto USBLink 24/96, and now the Musiland 01USD.

Emu 0404 USB - This is a great little machine but ended up being too clunky for it's worth and not anything better for the $200 price considering I just wanted the conversion. Next the Transit-

M-Audio Transit - Was my second attempt, this little sucker was very nice and it also works in Linux! KACHING! I did not figure out how to get above 96hz but for Vinyl alone it was a great little gadgit. However I think it sounded a little hazy and also cold and lifeless. My system is already extremely neutral and it just took away from the music to me. So next I tried...

Bel Canto USBLink 24/96 - Ok this thing is a huge chunk of money coming from the others, however it needs no drivers and has specially written commands for the chip to process audio and purely for a musical basis. I love the fact it will run on anything without the fuss of drivers, big plus! The inclusion of BNC 75ohm is also a plus as I prefer Coaxial over optical as I don't have so many locking issues. The musicality of the Bel Canto is superb and no matter what stereophile says this thing feels and sounds more natural than the Transit. I believe their test for jitter was ghetto and not affective, as this thing sounds much cleaner and just a little bit better than the transit. Like the difference between a first pressing cd of Zeppelin and the MFSL cd's. Though the huge pricetag was a issue to me, it still is a very strong performer, and if I have a Bel Canto DAC 3 I would be in utter love, only 1 problem... where's the 24/192 love?

Musiland 01 USD - I was not expecting much from this little baby as it was much cheaper than the Bel Canto and foreign. However, this thing is a really amazing gadget, it works in Windows 7 x64 with no issues and actually does 24/192 with the ability to do BNC, Coaxial, and optical make your choice! This does need drivers, and Linux is out of the option, but this thing is indistinguishable from the USBLink and gives you more output options and 192hz. It gives a nice added authority to the music and just feels like it is invisible in the chain between PC > Buffalo > B22.

Now the BC USBLink and Musiland Monitor 01USD were the best I tried, and I do love the Bel Canto but it doesn't do 192 and but on the other hand the Musiland won't work in linux. So it's a toss up depending on your OS. I feel the USBLink at $400~ is just too steep for the only benefit of Linux compatibility. So I will just enjoy the Musiland on Windows 7 and wait for a better option for Ubuntu, let's hope USB 2.0 brings us more driverless HD audio converters.

Basically, the transit is a good tool for Linux if you can get it to work it's a little picky. It does sound colder and less powerful than the other 2 but it is a great linux tool for the price. The Bel Canto would be the king if it had 192hz and the soundstage depth added from the Musiland ( it is a minor increase but it's there). However, the Musiland is the most versital of the bunch with its 3 outputs and 24/192 support, just no opensource for you! says Musiland
The Bel Canto is very pricey and I believe unwarranted price increase, however it does give great sound and driverless functionality. Let your wallet and your alliagance to Windows/Linux be your guide. Hope this helps...


This is my first lengthy comparison, sorry if it is slightly washy, I will edit it in the morning and add more details on specific's in the morning when Ive had a little sleep
post #131 of 903
wow, when did you get the B22 and B32s built?
post #132 of 903
Thank you very much DoYouRight. Maybe I should give this little thing a try.
post #133 of 903
Lil Knight, I finished them about a week or so ago, just have to finish up the casing and connectors I am not using but will use later. Buffalo and B22 are sitting on my drafting table near my desk/laptop on a old aluminum chassis until my FPE panels get here.
post #134 of 903
@DoYouRight

Any "subjective" differences in sound (between the belcanto and the musiland)?
You were able to pinpoint some between the transit and the belcanto...


Thanks
post #135 of 903
Thanks for the review DoYouRight, the 01 USD seems to be a good piece of kit. Have you opened it up yet? I'm interested in some pics, if you get a chance, to try determine if I2S can be tapped into.

I intend also feeding it via I2S into a Sabre DAC (not Buffalo board, though) so your review is particularly relevant. Funnily enough I just finished building a TAS1020B DAC (the chip used in both the Bel Canto & Transit) & will be listening to this soon, I hope.

I presume you are feeding S/PDIF from all your DACs to the Buffalo (no mods?)?
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